Its so clear we have to get some grindyness (toughness and thugness)

[Stephen]

i mean should have just kept kadri is that was the issue

colorado was quick to flip barrie for an unproven rookie makar, what does that tell you

Makar is going to be the next Erik Karlsson. Speaks nothing of Barrie's worth.

 

[Coachcorner]

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Johnsson --> Ritchie & 3rd
Ceci --> Lowry
Tymashov --> Clifford
Kapanen & Marncin --> Zadorov

We add a ton of grit, while still having two skilled guys/line in our top nine and having $2.5 million in cap space to upgrade defence at the deadline

You got a trump huge list there sire. Mayne these is some hard suckas out there we should be gittin. Having even one of theese fools Ritchie, Lowry, Clifford or Zadorov would complete our team. Ritchie is the worst of them, but would serve our rear ends right. Lowry, Clifford or Zadorov would fool kill real hard in toronto. Ritchie too, but he looks like he's always lost with his facial expression. Like that lost lost series was lost.

 

[Hustlr]

You got a trump huge list there sire. Mayne these is some hard suckas out there we should be gittin. Having even one of theese fools Ritchie, Lowry, Clifford or Zadorov would complete our team. Ritchie is the worst of them, but would serve our rear ends right. Lowry, Clifford or Zadorov would fool kill real hard in toronto. Ritchie too, but he looks like he's always lost with his facial expression. Like that lost lost series was lost.

Mouth breather.

edit:

Nylander 2 hits.
Tavares 4 hits (7 pace).
Matthews 5 hits.
Marner 7 hits.

40.5M/year of cap for less combined hits than Kapanen or Moore and almost Goat... Something has to budge. People need to turn it on or someone has to go. This model can’t work.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I was very disappointed we lost Grundstrom and the element he brings (wish it could have been another piece). Still for all this looking outside, there are options like your Korshkovs. For me a lineup spiced with guys like Grundstrom, Korshkov, Hyman, Moore and maybe Marchment is probably where you want to head. Physical, hard players but several of them also have skill.

 

[frog]

i mean should have just kept kadri is that was the issue

colorado was quick to flip barrie for an unproven rookie makar, what does that tell you

Well actually Barrie was good with Colorado mostly because he was able to make plays without getting hit... Colorado was a gritty team so he would rarely get run or else... In Toronto obviously he has to fend for himself but is just too small to deal with being a target, he'd be better suited on a tougher team

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You got a trump huge list there sire. Mayne these is some hard suckas out there we should be gittin. Having even one of theese fools Ritchie, Lowry, Clifford or Zadorov would complete our team. Ritchie is the worst of them, but would serve our rear ends right. Lowry, Clifford or Zadorov would fool kill real hard in toronto. Ritchie too, but he looks like he's always lost with his facial expression. Like that lost lost series was lost.

Ritchie is strongest man in the league. I am pretty sure he would drop Reaves. There is always value in having the toughest guy in league in your lineup.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Ritchie is strongest man in the league. I am pretty sure he would drop Reaves. There is always value in having the toughest guy in league in your lineup.

Love to see Ritchie go with chara to see who is true #1? Reaves can fight don't get me wrong but I am talking about brute power.

 

[AreBe]

I was very disappointed we lost Grundstrom and the element he brings (wish it could have been another piece). Still for all this looking outside, there are options like your Korshkovs. For me a lineup spiced with guys like Grundstrom, Korshkov, Hyman, Moore and maybe Marchment is probably where you want to head. Physical, hard players but several of them also have skill.

Skill, speed and brains are now mandatory. Toughness without them is out. There must an element of Ivan Svensky in this golden age of math based management.

Leafs Nation craves Patrick O'Thuggo and perceive penalty minutes as a strong positive, like the fluke plus minus stat

Moron Man cannot see how giving the other team a strategic advantage is a detriment and insist on the positive aspects of having to kill penalties, especially late in games or in overtime in the playoffs. See Marner in the box enabling Washington score in overtime

It gets worse: teams in the Canadian Branch Plant Division of the American Association of US Ice Hockey Teams, such as the Leafs, cannot bet on an equal whistle, especially in the playoffs when the AAUSIHT is seeking a US TV deal and needs to show the American networks that they need not fear an Ottawa Winnipeg cup final.

 

[Bomber0104]

Skill, speed and brains are now mandatory. Toughness without them is out. There must an element of Ivan Svensky in this golden age of math based management.

Leafs Nation craves Patrick O'Thuggo and perceive penalty minutes as a strong positive, like the fluke plus minus stat

Moron Man cannot see how giving the other team a strategic advantage is a detriment and insist on the positive aspects of having to kill penalties, especially late in games or in overtime in the playoffs. See Marner in the box enabling Washington score in overtime

It gets worse: teams in the Canadian Branch Plant Division of the American Association of US Ice Hockey Teams, such as the Leafs, cannot bet on an equal whistle, especially in the playoffs when the AAUSIHT is seeing a US TV deal and needs to show the American networks that they need not fear an Ottawa Winnipeg cup final.

Why do you equate "toughness" with taking penalties?

And why do you ignore that this Leafs team, that's supposedly flush with "skill, speed, and brains" (lol are you kidding?), have consistently drawn the fewest penalties in the league for years now?

Seems like the rest of the league - with their grittier/tougher rosters - are actually out-braining the Leafs with more PP's despite this weird little story you're trying to spin.

 

[AreBe]

Why do you equate "toughness" with taking penalties?

And why do you ignore that this Leafs team, that's supposedly flush with "skill, speed, and brains" (lol are you kidding?), have consistently drawn the fewest penalties in the league for years now?

Because (1) Toughness is penalties, and (2) The Leafs will be in the box unlike the other team in the playoffs. See Game 2 wrestling match and the Leafs getting beaten with folding chairs (which do not hurt when taken on the shoulder, by the way) and sprayed with fire extinguishers while the refs were distracted by the Leafs complaining about non- calls.


The Leafs do not get the benefit of the doubt in the American Association of US Ice Hockey Teams

 

[Trapper]

You got a trump huge list there sire. Mayne these is some hard suckas out there we should be gittin. Having even one of theese fools Ritchie, Lowry, Clifford or Zadorov would complete our team. Ritchie is the worst of them, but would serve our rear ends right. Lowry, Clifford or Zadorov would fool kill real hard in toronto. Ritchie too, but he looks like he's always lost with his facial expression. Like that lost lost series was lost.

This peanut butter sandwich is missing some jam coach!

 

[LeafingTheWay]

I was very disappointed in Muzzin and Rielly (especially Muzzin), when they didn't do anything about Matthews head-hit right in front of them. I love Muzzin, but you would think that a tough guy would defend Matthews. I think it might have something to do with Babcock telling them not to fight? That seems silly.

In terms of toughness and physicality, I do think it's time to add a Ritchie/Crouse type player. I have loved the rebuild and progress so far by Shanny, Dubas, Lou, etc. But now's the time to trade a skilled player for a slightly less skilled, but more physical player. Jujher Khaira or Alex Chiass0n are some good targets from Edmonton, and we could probably fleece them anyways.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Kapanen
Timashov - Khaira - Moore

Rielly - Ceci
Muzzin - Barrie
Dermott - Holl

Bolded: Need to play an aggressive, physical game while the non-bolded are fine the way they are.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Shore , Marincin and a7 th rounder for these guys should do the trick

 

[IPS]

Because (1) Toughness is penalties, and (2) The Leafs will be in the box unlike the other team in the playoffs. See Game 2 wrestling match and the Leafs getting beaten with folding chairs (which do not hurt when taken on the shoulder, by the way) and sprayed with fire extinguishers while the refs were distracted by the Leafs complaining about non- calls.


The Leafs do not get the benefit of the doubt in the American Association of US Ice Hockey Teams

Lol I said it before.

All a Ryan Reeves or Tom Wilson is gonna do for us is put us in the penalty box even more for that Bruins PP to dust us off even faster in another matchup.

You can't watch the previous 2 playoff series and think we're under the same rules as them. Ryan Reeves punching Pastrnak in the back of the head won't be coming back for the rest of the series.

 

[Fogelhund]

Love to see Ritchie go with chara to see who is true #1? Reaves can fight don't get me wrong but I am talking about brute power.

If we have to take Ritchie fair enough... just find a way to work Manson into the deal too.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Why do you equate "toughness" with taking penalties?

And why do you ignore that this Leafs team, that's supposedly flush with "skill, speed, and brains" (lol are you kidding?), have consistently drawn the fewest penalties in the league for years now?

Seems like the rest of the league - with their grittier/tougher rosters - are actually out-braining the Leafs with more PP's despite this weird little story you're trying to spin.

To be fair, Toronto is also often near the bottom in penalties against, so not really a valid way to question their "brains".

 

[Bomber0104]

Lol I said it before.

All a Ryan Reeves or Tom Wilson is gonna do for us is put us in the penalty box even more for that Bruins PP to dust us off even faster in another matchup.

You can't watch the previous 2 playoff series and think we're under the same rules as them. Ryan Reeves punching Pastrnak in the back of the head won't be coming back for the rest of the series.

Who said anything about Ryan Reaves or Tom Wilson?

Why do people who shamelessly stooge for creampuff hockey always gravitate towards the most extreme of examples in order to prop up their position?

Or in your case, both exaggerate the type of player the Leafs need and then make up a fictional scenario involving said player

 

[hockeynorth]

I want Jake Debrusk. I am prepared to trade William Nylander for Jake Debrusk.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Anyone watching the New Jersey - Philly game?

Jack Hughes just got hit on a controversial blind-side hit and went down. Kyle Palmeri, 5'11 185 pound winger, went right after Niskanen and fought him. That's what you want to see from your players for support. You don't need to go find a Ryan Reaves, you need your CURRENT players to care and show it.

 

[Trapper]

Anyone watching the New Jersey - Philly game?

Jack Hughes just got on a controversial blind-side hit and went down. Kyle Palmeri, 5'11 185 pound winger, went right after Niskanen and fought him. That's what you want to see from your players for support. You don't need to go find a Ryan Reaves, you need your CURRENT players to care and show it.

5 years later we are still looking for an identity:
https://www.tsn.ca/head-coach-mike-babcock-says-toronto-maple-leafs-searching-for-identity-1.1390959

 

[socko]

I don't see nothing wrong with a little bump and grind...