Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Waiting for when we'll find out Montreal is on his NMC/NTC...

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

im so glad we dodged this.
L.A got worse with that trade

 

[Walrus26]

The new thread title clearly says "did we make a mistake on PLD thread". It might be missing either a "the" or an 's, but I agree with the sentiment.

We made a huge mistake with the thread, yes

 

[BLONG7]

Guys... 381 pages and counting... do you see a problem somewhere... Get over it...
1) Overpaid for the contract
2) Overpaid to get him...
Thank you Hugo for being realistic
Hello Bargain...

Reeks of Bergevin!!! LOL at the KIngs!

 

[Schooner Guy]

If he produces at only a 70pt pace I think the Kings will be a bit let down but won’t regret it if he also keeps bringing the physicality. But his reputation in terms of physical play and leadership is spotty, so it’ll have to be grown into.

Don’t discount how much happier he will be now that he’s left Manitoba.

He has never had more than 63 points in 7 seasons and he's extremely inconsistent. Great tools but he has a history of not responding well when things aren't going his way.

Don't discount how much happier he'll be? Hmmm... If he wasn't willing to physically engage in an elimination game with one year left before becoming UFA, it will be fun trying to motivate him with $68m over 8 years. He'll be happier until the first time he's held accountable by Todd McLellan.

I'm just glad all this drama is finally over with. A big contract was always his #1 priority. That's certainly his right but it's comical how so many here once again took the homecoming bait hook, line and sinker. It never fails.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

PLD says I can move me when I want... but you can't move me unless I want.

Midway through the deal, he will be comfortable and stop producing. The Kings will be in familiar territory as the Jets, however they won't get a haul for him.

Reeks of Bergevin!!! LOL at the KIngs!

The BargainBin strikes back.

 

[TCIH]

I really like Dubois as a player and don't share the same criticism some others have for the way he's approached his departure from Winnipeg.

...But I'm really glad this is over. Good luck in LA and God Bless.

 

[donghabs98]

I don't think I've posted in this thread until now. Would I have liked to add Dubois to the habs? Sure I would have but not at the asking price and the AAV he was seeking. He was not going to make or break this team. Good on HuGo for sticking to their guns.

The strangest thing in all of this was Chevel... wanting established NHLers. Nobody willingly wants to go play for the Jets. I foresee a mass exodus which has already been rumoured. So getting Vilardi, Iafallo and Kpari is going to make them a contender when they're gonna lose Hellebuck, Sheifele et al? I don't know but I just don't see it.

Anyhow, I'm so glad this is over and we didn't give up key assets for the petit gars de chez nous.

The Jets refusing to rebuild despite clearly needing to reminds me of Bergevin. Your top center and top goalie wants to leave and you want NHL players and not futures? Seems like a big miss. Cant see the Jets making these trades and being anything asides from a bubble team.

 

[Habs]

Reeks of Bergevin!!! LOL at the KIngs!

totally forgot numbnuts was there, that explains it

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

 

[donghabs98]

So maybe MTL can take on LAs deadweight for first rounder instead

4.5 to spend on 2 forwards, 3 D and a goalie.

Yeah the Kings will be trading good players for next to nothing. Teams know the Kings have no cap and little leverage.

 

[salbutera]

Reeks of Bergevin!!! LOL at the KIngs!

Brisson is very close with Luc Robitaille & Nelson Emerson… it’s not only MB

excerpt from The Athletic:

One truth the Canadiens were working with was that Dubois wanted to play in Montreal. But at some point in this process, I’m told, that changed. Playing in Montreal took a back seat to getting the contract Dubois wanted and going somewhere he perceived as being the shortest path to winning.

There were multiple complications for the Canadiens. And it is worth stressing that this is not a situation they asked for; this began when Dubois’ agent Pat Brisson said on live television a year ago that his client would like to play in Montreal. This should have been good news for the Canadiens, but what transpired since that time is that Dubois clearly realized he is not willing to play in Montreal at all costs. His contract was clearly more important.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Phil was a -1 that playoff run.......again, not taking anything away from him, he played the defensive role to a tee........against the big matchups.
A poster called him a #1 C during that run, and he had 1G and 3A meanwhile Suzuki had 16 pts in 22 games, so......................

Danault had the toughest match-ups. Like in the season he had a lot of Mcdavid-Draisatle match-ups and he did ok. Second center TO the player wasn't Tavares. That 3rd center not in the good chair wasn't made for 2nd center duty and yes Suziki took advantage.

 

[River Meadow]

GREAT DEAL FOR THE JETS!

The guys they got are super gritty and come to play, lay it all on the line.

Pierre-Luc is a pretender.

Watch how long it takes for him to ask out of LA now... LOL

 

[Ozmodiar]

500k more AAV then I would have been comfortable with. And the pieces going back. Wow. No thanks.

I know size is at a premium, but you could argue that Vilardi alone is better than Dubois. This is an insane gamble by LA.

I’m reading a lot of comments by those blown away by the return.

I think it’s average, at best. Textbook quality over quantity in LA’s favour.

Vilardi - 2 years younger than Dach with similar production - not close to PLD. limited upside at this point. Imagine a less physical Dach in 2 years, without improvement.

Kupari - bust. I’m calling it.

Iafallo - 4M middle six player.

All 100% non-core, expendable, easily acquired type of players.

Footnote: I’m glad Montreal didn’t try to beat it. They don’t have the same types of expendable pieces. (Young, but losing patience)

Also, not saying i love the contract. Simply saying - I’m not impressed by what the Jets have acquired. LA just trimmed the fat.

 

[Scriptor]

Trashing PLD now is not cool. He had a good year, a strong year, and has upside for more.

Good luck to him. Shame he’s not a Hab but we didn’t have the pieces WPG wanted.

Guaranteed we would’ve celebrated that acquisition and contact should he have come here, so don’t even act otherwise.

It isn't cool now and it wasn't cool throughout this thread by mindless haters.

I'm disappointed we don't have Dubois on our roster and I'm not the least bit assuaged by the acquisition of Newhook instead.

It all has the feel -- especially in a reportedly deep draft -- of the Shaw acquisition, with CHI drafting DeBrincat with one of the 2nd round picks we gave up for Andrew.

I expect to see Newhook on the wing, most likely with Dach, but we will need a pure breed finisher on that line. I don't know who that can be?

With a line I'd like to see of Slafkovsky - Monahan - Anderson, that leaves two duos without a partner to complete their line; Caufield - Suzuki, Newhook - Dach.

Caufield - Newhook need a puck possession winger who can set up his line mates.

Newhook - Dach need a finisher who can play a little physical and, perhaps, boast some speed to keep.

It would be wrong to say we have high end players in the lineup, or high end players in the making, to complement both duos.

Maybe we select one in this year's draft and he eventually becomes that high end player we need and, maybe, one of the bunch already in the system pans out better than expected -- and beck eventually replaces Monahan?

In the meantime, Roy, from what we saw with him playing alongside Bedard, may represent that puck possession winger who can set up his line mates (and score goals, in his case) and, maybe, Heineman represents that finisher (NHL wrist shot) with some physicality and speed?

Caufield - Suzuki - Roy
Newhook - Dach - Heineman
Slafkovsky - Monahan - Anderson
RHP - Dvorak - Armia

Gallagher, Hoffman, Pezzetta

im so glad we dodged this.
L.A got worse with that trade

LA did not get worse at all. The Cap figure is a little high, though, but not insanely high.

 

[Scriptor]

Brisson is very close with Luc Robitaille & Nelson Emerson… it’s not only MB

excerpt from The Athletic:

Dubois just read fan support on this thread and figured it would be hell trying to be appreciated in this town. Enough reason to high tail it away from all the aggressively and the manic-depressive Montreal fan mentality.

 

[WentWughes]

I like PLD but I am glad Hughes did not give up something similar. Way too much assets and that contract is way too much. Acquiring Dubois for that load would be a huge step back.

 

[TheHabs BruinRipper]

They wanted Guhle ++ in return. No thanks.

 

[salbutera]

Pierre is absolutely giddy w Newhook acquisition:

McGuire: Newhook a shrewd acquisition for Habs

Hockey analyst Pierre McGuire jumps on to talk about the Habs acquiring the rights to forward Alex Newhook and what he thinks his ceiling is and also talks about what the Canadiens get in their new director of sports medicine, performance and head athletic therapist Jim Ramsay

www.tsn.ca

 

[River Meadow]

Pierre is absolutely giddy w Newhook acquisition:

McGuire: Newhook a shrewd acquisition for Habs

Hockey analyst Pierre McGuire jumps on to talk about the Habs acquiring the rights to forward Alex Newhook and what he thinks his ceiling is and also talks about what the Canadiens get in their new director of sports medicine, performance and head athletic therapist Jim Ramsay

www.tsn.ca

If Pierre likes it, then it's good enough for me.

Maybe Pierre knows something about Newhook that we don't, like the length of his stick..

 

[Miller Time]

I'm happy we didn't pay that price to acquire him... too many character question marks to give up that much. An equivalent package from us + the 8 yrs/8.5M just isn't worth it for a player with a track record of emotionally checking out for stretches.

the idea of PLD was great, especially if he really was motivated to wear the jersey. He chose to sign long term in LA, good luck to him... good for the Jets too, nice to see them get a solid return for a player that quit on their city/franchise

 

[JianYang]

Dodged a bullet there. When the habs look for a marquee player to splash their cap space on, they should aim higher for cup purposes. The flexibility now remains to make a splurge when the time is right.

 

[Team_Spirit]

I really like Dubois as a player and don't share the same criticism some others have for the way he's approached his departure from Winnipeg.

...But I'm really glad this is over. Good luck in LA and God Bless.

Same here. He did the Jets right by not pulling a Gaudreau.

As for the Habs rumors, better to fake interest and drive the price up. Vinny to Philly basically dismantled a perennial playoffs team and they are still suffering.

 

[Kimota]

I don't think I've posted in this thread until now. Would I have liked to add Dubois to the habs? Sure I would have but not at the asking price and the AAV he was seeking. He was not going to make or break this team. Good on HuGo for sticking to their guns.

The strangest thing in all of this was Chevel... wanting established NHLers. Nobody willingly wants to go play for the Jets. I foresee a mass exodus which has already been rumoured. So getting Vilardi, Iafallo and Kpari is going to make them a contender when they're gonna lose Hellebuck, Sheifele et al? I don't know but I just don't see it.

Anyhow, I'm so glad this is over and we didn't give up key assets for the petit gars de chez nous.

Picture this, Vilardi is RFA next year. I wonder what he's gonna do. Ummm