It is time for enforcers again!

[Sheppy]

Need a few more Adam McQuaid types in the game. Seeing McQuaid dust him a few years back was magical.

 

[BLNY]

With Bettman, Parros and DoPS not willing to cut dirty play out of the league, I feel it is time to once again start having enforcers. It is not only about the last incident, but DoPS have been really bad for a long time. If I owned a team, I wouldnt want my stars to be hurt. If I was a coach I would want a guy who stands up for my guys and is actually feared by other teams on my bench. Thoughts?

If you call the actual rule book, and enforce stiff penalties, goons aren't required. NFL is a more physical game, has plenty of borderline to dirty plays, and you don't see players looking for on-field retribution or the need to police things. If players go over the line they get significantly larger fines and suspensions.

Myles Garrett got an indefinite suspension that ended up being 6 games for removing Rudolph's helmet and hitting him with it. Six games out of 16 is equivalent to 31 games of an NHL season. Levy those sorts of punishment to offending players and the antics of Wilson will go away. Or he will.

 

[sandysan]

In all fairness Panarin literally jumped on Wilson’s back and bear hugged him, what exactly did Artemi think was going to happen? Wilson has a track record of being dirty but Panarin messed with the bull and he got the horns. Live and learn.

this isn't gonna be a popular position, but it's kind of how I saw it as well.

the punch wilson threw on the ice was not good. not egregious either, and probably a fine. if you want to get your nose dirty and go after wilson, you kind of have to accept the fact that he's probably not going to let you go.

i did like larry brooks' take on it however. Clowns are always entertaining.

 

[gwh]

There’s nothing stopping a team from having an enforcer today. Many times, they are slow and bad hockey players, so teams choose not to. I doubt many teams change that approach

The NHL lawsuit for CTE does.

 

[sandysan]

If you call the actual rule book, and enforce stiff penalties, goons aren't required. NFL is a more physical game, has plenty of borderline to dirty plays, and you don't see players looking for on-field retribution or the need to police things. If players go over the line they get significantly larger fines and suspensions.

Myles Garrett got an indefinite suspension that ended up being 6 games for removing Rudolph's helmet and hitting him with it. Six games out of 16 is equivalent to 31 games of an NHL season. Levy those sorts of punishment to offending players and the antics of Wilson will go away. Or he will.

You don't?'
I guess if you don't watch then you don't see it. you take liberties with a quaterback and linemen will do what good teamates do and stand up for a teamate.

also in the nfl guys bite, eye gouge, bend fingers in the scrum because they can get away with it. if you think this is bad, i left out the really nasty stuff.

or and in case you missed it, in hockey the chaos is kept iside the boards, with large men playing at speed with clubs in their hands and malice is their dark dark hearts and the contact need not come through the front porch.

when the O an D lines play with cop billy clubs in their hands, then we can make comparisons,

 

[sandysan]

The NHL lawsuit for CTE does.

fights are almost exclusively consentual and if someone wants to get in front of a judge and say " honestly, I had not idea that trading barefisted blows was associated with a negative health prognosis" they are more than welcome to.

knowing the risks and retroactively regretting you accepted the risk are two different kettles of fish.

 

[serp]

Honestly i don't think an Enforcer stops Wilson . I think more of a Matt Cooke type might if the league doesn't finally end this shit . Wilsons runs and injured a player you send out your cheapshot artist to run the knees on a Caps player. Idk if thats a good idea though.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The NHL lawsuit for CTE does.

If that was the case, the NHL would completely ban fighting.

 

[Icarium]

No, it's time to say "No extracurricular stuff after the whistle, period". Other sports do just fine without this clown show, why can't the NHL? If the league decides that so much as shoving someone after the whistle means a penalty you will see this nonsense disappear in a matter of weeks. But no, they allow it for no reason other than "We have always done it this way".

 

[sandysan]

If that was the case, the NHL would completely ban fighting.

this idea has been floated by the pearl clutchers repeatedly.

the NHL and the PA are PARTNERS. The PA by every available metric wants to keep the right to self police. if the NHL wants to force fighting out of the game, they have but one choice; lock the players out over it. that's not to say it can't happen because if there is one thing the league is great at, it's lockeing the players out.

that's not going to happen any time soon.

so you pearl clutchers who lament the barbarity of it all can all go back to hoping a player dies in a fight in order to usher in a version of the game that you might find more palatable.

concerns for player safety my ass.

 

[gwh]

fights are almost exclusively consentual and if someone wants to get in front of a judge and say " honestly, I had not idea that trading barefisted blows was associated with a negative health prognosis" they are more than welcome to.

knowing the risks and retroactively regretting you accepted the risk are two different kettles of fish.

"Judge they made me do it. I wanted to keep my jerb, but now my brain is scrambled"

"Unsafe working environment, here take a billion".

Organized fighting in the NHL won't happen again now that people have proven it is extremely hazardous. You can't have players in the roster who only punch people and the argue that you don't create a work environment with organized violence.

 

[Techcoockie]

Or just don’t put yourself in that situation in the first place? You know, use some intelligence? Wilson is a piece of garbage, don’t get me wrong, but Panarin did himself no favors by jumping on Wilson’s back. What do you know about my moral code? Maybe keep your mouth shut when it comes to implying shit.

hey man, blame the victim not the abuser, love your way of thinking.

your the kind of dude who says "hey girls if you didn't dress like this then MAYBE the guy wouldn't harass you"

 

[BudBundy]

Between the salary cap, the instigator rule, and the 50 contract limit, one-dimensional face punchers are long gone. It doesn’t necessarily stop a guy like Wilson either, even if you did. Having big, physical guys who can also play will never go out of style. If the Rags aren’t smart enough to bring in a few guys who can push back, their skill players will play scared.

 

[Techcoockie]

I'd love to see him stretchered off, never to return

I'm not worried, every playoff he gets headhunt as a revenge for his goon hit during the season, Will probably pay the price in the playoff again.

 

[Tryblot]

Why is Reaves being put up on a pedestal? He's cut from the same cloth as Wilson.

Not even close.

 

[Ducks in a row]

If NHL doesn't do a good job protecting players from bad acts then the players need to deal with it themselves. I love seeing a good fight.

 

[GrizzGreen]

the mental gymnastics here over Tom Wilson breaking everyone's brain is astounding

 

[Just Linda]

Find a good one. Reaves and Deslauriers chip in goals.

I played with one guy who was about 6'3" and hit like 3 times per shift. It felt like the ice was empty, I could skate wherever I wanted to and the puck would almost magically pop out of the corner to my stick (and then a lot more softly than I'd admit into the goalie's glove). To me an aggressive power forward who punishes isn't the same as an enforcer.

 

[sandysan]

"Judge they made me do it. I wanted to keep my jerb, but now my brain is scrambled"

"Unsafe working environment, here take a billion".

Organized fighting in the NHL won't happen again now that people have proven it is extremely hazardous. You can't have players in the roster who only punch people and the argue that you don't create a work environment with organized violence.

if " they" could make players fight, explain BGL in his sunset years.

And its the players, the VERY people who would suffer the consequences who want to keep the right to self police in the game. Not just the fighters ( like they still exist) virtually ALL PA members want to retain the prerogative to settle beefs on the ice. And as partners with the league, if fighting is to go, it will need to go with the consent of the PA.

if only we could discern where the PA sits on this thorny issue.

And as for the last statement, if this were true, UFC and Boxing would be on the block LONG before hockey.

those must be some VERY VERY strong pearls.

 

[TatarTangle]

hey man, blame the victim not the abuser, love your way of thinking.

your the kind of dude who says "hey girls if you didn't dress like this then MAYBE the guy wouldn't harass you"

Yikers

At which point did I say Wilson isn’t to blame? He is to blame, I’m simply suggesting that maybe Panarin shouldn’t have jumped on Wilson’s back without expecting retaliation from someone who is a historically dirty player and that he has his share of blame for putting himself in that situation. When you’re one of the smallest players in the league you don’t go after a guy like Wilson.

It’s clear you’re the kind of dude who can’t think critically so this conversation doesn’t need to go any further, not that it can anyways. Have a good one.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

No, it's time to say "No extracurricular stuff after the whistle, period". Other sports do just fine without this clown show, why can't the NHL? If the league decides that so much as shoving someone after the whistle means a penalty you will see this nonsense disappear in a matter of weeks. But no, they allow it for no reason other than "We have always done it this way".

The league will never do that. They can’t even call every penalty because “game management”.

 

[ItsFineImFine]

Why not just have a competent DoPS and no Colin Campbell?

 

[Cowumbus]

Get an enforcer who can play hockey. The posts in this thread make it seem like goons can only punch, not play.

Funny. That kinda sounds like Wilson...

 

[El Travo]

Funny. That kinda sounds like Wilson...

Yeah, it's pretty funny how some people want more Tom Wilson's in the league to deal with the current Tom Wilson.

"We need enforcers to deal with dirty players!" Enforcers:





You know - because enforcers weren't the ones out there doing stupid shit.

 

[Devils090]

That's BS. The Bruins have plenty of people that are willing to drop the gloves and people still take runs at them.

that’s because Marchand is a POS