Prospect Info: Isles Prospect Talk 2018-19 | Part II

[Jester9881]

If he takes until he's 26 to break out, I'd rather move him for someone who is already broken out in order to help this team take the next step sooner. I don't think that's ridiculous. Saying he's a bust, that's probably ridiculous. I just want to move him now if he's still a while away from contributing in a top six role.

How are you getting an established player unless it's a contract dump? If you have to use him as a sweetner, isn't it better to just toss in a couple 3rd or 4th rounders to even it out? This is the type of talk I remember around here with Calvin de Haan.

 

[PK Cronin]

How are you getting an established player unless it's a contract dump? If you have to use him as a sweetner, isn't it better to just toss in a couple 3rd or 4th rounders to even it out? This is the type of talk I remember around here with Calvin de Haan.

It wouldn't be a 1 for 1, but he could be part of a package for someone like Muzzin. I don't think that's inherently bad.

 

[seafoam]

If he takes until he's 26 to break out, I'd rather move him for someone who is already broken out in order to help this team take the next step sooner. I don't think that's ridiculous. Saying he's a bust, that's probably ridiculous. I just want to move him now if he's still a while away from contributing in a top six role.

Who would give up an NHL player for Dal Colle?

 

[seafoam]

There’s five impending UFAs up front.

Unless he’s bringing back an established NHLer like @PK Cronin is saying (which I personally don’t think is realistic), he’ll be given a deal similar to the one Toews got and will either make the team as a depth forward (like Kuhnhackl did), or continue to polish his game at the AHL level and wait for a call up.

He’s trending in the right direction and will cheap to keep in the organization for a couple more years.

 

[PK Cronin]

Who would give up an NHL player for Dal Colle?

There’s five impending UFAs up front.

Unless he’s bringing back an established NHLer like @PK Cronin is saying (which I personally don’t think is realistic), he’ll be given a deal similar to the one Toews got and will either make the team as a depth forward (like Kuhnhackl did), or continue to polish his game at the AHL level and wait for a call up.

He’s trending in the right direction and will cheap to keep in the organization for a couple more years.

You don't think he could be part of a package for an established NHLer?

It doesn't cost anything to keep him around, but there's also no guarantee he'll continue this type of production or that he could make the step into the NHL and produce like that. That's the risk. I won't be upset either way, but I lean towards trading him.

 

[seafoam]

You don't think he could be part of a package for an established NHLer?

It doesn't cost anything to keep him around, but there's also no guarantee he'll continue this type of production or that he could make the step into the NHL and produce like that. That's the risk. I won't be upset either way, but I lean towards trading him.

I really don’t think he would have much value in a trade because I don’t think he has top six upside.
At that point, you might as well keep him and groom him to be a defensively responsible third liner.

Eventually I want their third line to have more skill and be more of a “B” level second line, not a “A” level fourth line which is what I currently see it as, and I think Dal Colle has the upside to be one of the players on that line.

tl;dr good teams have skill up and down the lineup and when Dal Colle’s body catches up to his brain, he’ll be good bottom six option I think.

 

[PK Cronin]

I really don’t think he would have much value in a trade because I don’t think he has top six upside.
At that point, you might as well keep him and groom him to be a defensively responsible third liner.

Eventually I want their third line to have more skill and be more of a “B” level second line, not a “A” level fourth line which is what I currently see it as, and I think Dal Colle has the upside to be one of the players on that line.

tl;dr good teams have skill up and down the lineup and when Dal Colle’s body catches up to his brain, he’ll be good bottom six option I think.

That makes sense if you don't think he has top 6 upside. I think his value may be high right now because of his recent turning of the corner in the AHL, so a team may think he'll be a top 6 contributor and be willing to accept him in a package.

 

[Thrasymachus]

Selling low on MDC at this point would be a mistake imho. I think his trade value, similar to JHS, is lower relative to his actual value. I would keep him.

 

[seafoam]

That makes sense if you don't think he has top 6 upside. I think his value may be high right now because of his recent turning of the corner in the AHL, so a team may think he'll be a top 6 contributor and be willing to accept him in a package.

Gotcha. If you could get top six value for him, I’d be curious to see what that would look like.

 

[SI90]

 

[doublechili]

Everyone around here thinks if you're not at a PPG in the AHL by the time you're a zygote you're a bust.

 

[Strait2thecup]

Haven’t watched a lot of Bridgeport but 14 goals in 23 games is very impressive. The big club sure could use a sniper

 

[SI90]

Josh Brook is a good Defensman. Also, his head coach For Moose Jaw Tim Hunter is TC headcoach for the WJC.
Dobson definitely on the top pair and being viewed/used as the #1. Pretty awesome.

 

[CREW99AW]

Josh Brook is a good Defensman. Also, his head coach For Moose Jaw Tim Hunter is TC headcoach for the WJC.
Dobson definitely on the top pair and being viewed/used as the #1. Pretty awesome.

Good for Dobson.
Coming out of the 2018 draft, some scouts were predicting he will be the 2nd best defensemen to come out of that draft behind the Sabres Dahlin.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Traded to the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies. Already have the best record in the Q, and Dobson will only improve that.

Hopefully we see a Bouchard vs Dobson finals in the Memorial Cup!

 

[PK Cronin]

 

[PWJunior]

From Penthouse to Outhouse back to Penthouse.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

Wow. You guys have a stud in Sebastian Aho. Nearly a ppg as a Dman in the AHL is really impressive.

Not as much of a stud as the other one though

 

[Macch]

Wow. You guys have a stud in Sebastian Aho. Nearly a ppg as a Dman in the AHL is really impressive.

Not as much of a stud as the other one though

Yeah feels like we have a solid D-core in the AHL right now.

The big question is besides Toews, does anyone else have real NHL upside.

I've always been impressed with Aho when he's been up in the NHL, but obviously his size works against him

 

[PWJunior]

Yeah feels like we have a solid D-core in the AHL right now.

The big question is besides Toews, does anyone else have real NHL upside.

I've always been impressed with Aho when he's been up in the NHL, but obviously his size works against him

Aside from our huge need at center, we lack a premium LHD that has top pairing potential. Toews and Aho are nice prospects, but their upside seems a bit limited.

Having Dobson and Wilde developing while Pulock is being groomed as the top pairing RD by Trotz, we have significantly more talent on the right side. Even Mayfield has taken big strides in his game. Boychuk will likely be a compliance buyout candidate and we will have Dobson/Wilde competing to take his spot in a couple of years.

We need to seriously beef up our left side. Leddy is flawed and is more suited for a secondary LD role, but it's all crap and potential (rather limited in this aspect too) after him. We need to add a left handed Dobson type in the system.

If we go d-man in the draft, I would be quite happy with Bowen Byram if we're in the position to get him.

 

[PK Cronin]

Wow. You guys have a stud in Sebastian Aho. Nearly a ppg as a Dman in the AHL is really impressive.

Not as much of a stud as the other one though

We had another one of those guys in Matt Donovan a few years ago, ever hear of him? Didn't think so. We're hopeful this one works out better.

 

[scott99]

We had another one of those guys in Matt Donovan a few years ago, ever hear of him? Didn't think so. We're hopeful this one works out better.

Aho could skate circles around Donovan. That's the big difference between the 2. Donovan was slower than Mayfield.

Watch Aho's goal from yesterday (12/16/18).

 

[xECK29x]

* = current assignment
+ = on IR or just hurt

NHL - New York Islanders

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Michael Dal Colle	LW	2014 round 1 #5	16	2	0	0	0	0	-2
* Josh Ho-Sang	RW	2014 round 1 #28	5	1	0	0	0	0	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

AHL - Bridgeport Sound Tigers

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Kieffer Bellows	LW/C	2016 round 1 #19	4	29	7	5	12	14	-7
Devon Toews	D	2014 round 4 #108	6	24	5	14	19	16	-2
Otto Koivula	C/LW/RW	2016 round 4 #120	17	25	7	7	14	8	10
Mitchell Vande Sompel	D	2015 round 3 #82	11	27	2	10	12	14	0
Parker Wotherspoon	D	2015 round 4 #112	13	26	3	8	11	27	3
Scott Eansor	C/LW	UFA Signing	HM	14	1	2	3	11	2
+ John Stevens	C	UFA Signing	HM	0	0	0	0	0	0
Josh Ho-Sang	RW	2014 round 1 #28	5	26	2	20	22	12	-6
* Michael Dal Colle	LW	2014 round 1 #5	16	23	14	9	23	12	9
Yannick Rathgeb	D	UFA Signing	15	11	2	2	4	12	1
Kyle Burroughs	D	2013 round 7 #196	25	25	1	3	4	57	6
Sebastian Aho	D	2017 round 5 #139	9	26	3	17	20	16	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ECHL - Worcester Railers

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
David Quenneville	D	2016 rnd 7 #200	14	21	1	4	5	22	-8

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

CHL - Canadian Major Juniors

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Noah Dobson	D	2018 round 1 #12	2	Acadie-Bathurst Titan	28	9	7	16	36	-30
				* Canada U20	0	0	0	0	0	0
Arnaud Durandeau	LW	2017 round 6 #165	HM	Halifax Mooseheads	33	17	17	34	26	12
Blade Jenkins	C	2018 round 5 #134	21	Saginaw Spirit	32	12	21	33	12	3
Bode Wilde	D	2018 round 2 #41	7	Saginaw Spirit	27	9	24	33	22	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

USHL

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

NCAA

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Oliver Wahlstrom	RW	2018 round 1 #11	1	Boston College	14	4	1	5	12	0
				* USA U20	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ruslan Iskhakov	RW	2018 round 2 #43	10	Univ. of Connecticut	15	2	6	8	12	1
Nick Pastujov	LW	2016 round 7 #193	HM	Univ. of Michigan	17	9	4	13	20	-4
Collin Adams	LW	2016 round 6 #170	NR	Univ. of North Dakota	13	1	3	4	6	-4
Logan Cockerill	LW	2017 round 7 #201	22	Boston Univ.	16	2	3	5	8	2
				* USA U20	0	0	0	0	0	0
Benjamin Mirageas	D	2017 round 3 #77	19	Providence College	16	1	5	6	18	-2
Andong Song	D	2015 round 6 #172	NR	Cornell Univ.	0	0	0	0	0	0
Christian Krygier	D	2018 round 7 #196	HM	Michigan State Univ.	14	0	0	0	16	-4
Jacob Pivonka	C	2018 round 4 #103	24	Univ. of Notre Dame	17	0	5	5	17	4

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Europe

PLAYER	POS	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	20	SaiPa (Liiga)	30	2	6	8	10	-3
Anatoli Golyshev	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #95	18	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg (KHL)	33	14	15	29	10	11
				Russia (EHT)	2	0	0	0	2	-2
Petter Hansson	D	2015 round 7 #202	NR	* Södertälje SK (Allsvenskan)	13	1	1	2	6	1
				Huddinge IK (Division 1)	5	0	1	1	0	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goalies

PLAYER	ACQUIRED	HFB RANK	TEAM	GP	GAA	SV%	SO
Ilya Sorokin	2014 round 3 #78	3	CSKA Moskva (KHL)	24	1.18	.943	6
			Russia (EHT)	3	1.64	.931
+ Linus Söderström	2014 round 4 #95	8	Bridgeport Sound Tigers (AHL)	0	0	0	0
Jakub Skarek	2018 round 3 #72	12	Pelicans (Liiga)	16	2.02	.920	1
			* Czech U20	1	9.00	.790

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[doublechili]

Dobson sits at -30 for the season. What are the odds he ends up the year as a plus player? I'm thinking pretty good....

 

[scott99]

Dobson sits at -30 for the season. What are the odds he ends up the year as a plus player? I'm thinking pretty good....

Dobson moves to his new team after the WJC, as per Staple. So maybe that happens. going from a team that is 6-26-1 to a 28-6-1 team (Rouyn-Noranda).