Islanders are 9-0 in OT/SO

[Hire Sather]

Islanders fans too protective of their team to admit that some luck is involved in going 9-0 in OTs/SOs?

 

[Felix Unger]

I'd like to know what you're basing this ranking off of. I mean, looking at it, I'd assume you're just going based off of pure team talent. But if that's the case I'd still say there's more of a divide. And either way, I'd still say at the current moment, with the way the team has been playing, the Isles should be lump up with TB and Pitts, who should also be lumped together as well. The Isles have been playing much more with the upper echelon in the conference than in the second level with "The Mess". Just my personal thoughts.

It's all subjective. But, for starters, can you explain to me the separation between the Red Wings and the Islanders? Both teams are deep up front, but don't have a true #1 Dman. Kronwall is pretty close to Boychuk right now (although Boychuk is hurt). Halak and Howard are also pretty similar. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are comparable to Tavares and Okposo. They've got young guns to match ours. What's the difference, really? (Mind you, I think we'll be better in future years, but I'm talking about right now.)

 

[SI90]

Islanders fans too protective of their team to admit that some luck is involved in going 9-0 in OTs/SOs?

I hate the shootout but the other team has the same chance at winning.

Theres luck during 3 periods and OT when maybe the refs make or miss calls that can help but in a shoutout there is no luck.

It's shooter vs Goalie that's it.

 

[Cavonnier]

As an Islander fan, I'll say they're a legitimate playoff team whose position in the standings has been inflated by a combination of luck and skill in regulation and overtime.

If you consider overtime losses as regular losses (no loser point) and shootouts as ties (each team gets one point), then the Islanders are fourth in the Eastern conference with 36 points (having played three more games than the Rangers {31 points}; two more games than the Capitals {29 points}; and one more than the Penguins {40 points} and the Maple Leafs {35 points}; they have played one less game than the Lightning {40 points}).

Their 5-on-5 Corsi for percentage is 52.4%, eighth best in the NHL. Their 5-on-5 Corsi for percentage in "close" situations is 53.5%, fifth best in the NHL.

They'll eventually lose in overtime or in a shootout, but they have a cushion that will allow them to absorb some of those losses. I'm much, much more concerned about their horrific penalty kill and Chad Johnson than I am about their shootout luck. Getting Hamonic and eventually Boychuk back also will help the team immensely.

 

[Rehabguy]

Islanders fans too protective of their team to admit that some luck is involved in going 9-0 in OTs/SOs?

Jees man, 9-0 in OT/SO shows that it is CLEARLY something other than luck.

 

[Hire Sather]

I hate the shootout but the other team has the same chance at winning.

Theres luck during 3 periods and OT when maybe the refs make or miss calls that can help but in a shoutout there is no luck.

It's shooter vs Goalie that's it.

You're correct in the sense that you can't really get a "good bounce" or whatever in the shootout, but to keep winning them over and over is really lucky.. no team can be so much better in the shootout than other teams... the Islanders just happen to keep pulling them out over and over.. there is luck involved there.

 

[IslesFanatic]

You're correct in the sense that you can't really get a "good bounce" or whatever in the shootout, but to keep winning them over and over is really lucky.. no team can be so much better in the shootout than other teams... the Islanders just happen to keep pulling them out over and over.. there is luck involved there.

Isles do have some very good offensive players for the shootout and Halak has been a beast. Still not a fan of the SO though.

 

[Rehabguy]

You're correct in the sense that you can't really get a "good bounce" or whatever in the shootout, but to keep winning them over and over is really lucky.. no team can be so much better in the shootout than other teams... the Islanders just happen to keep pulling them out over and over.. there is luck involved there.

How about this. Try flipping a coin 9 times and see if it lands every time on heads. If it doesn't, I suggest you change your definition of "luck".

 

[Hire Sather]

How about this. Try flipping a coin 9 times and see if it lands every time on heads. If it doesn't, I suggest you change your definition of "luck".

Uh. I don't see how this is suppose to be a response to my point? Sounds like you agree with me. Shootouts are a coinflip and the Islanders have somehow won all of the flips.

 

[Rehabguy]

Uh. I don't see how this is suppose to be a response to my point? Sounds like you agree with me. Shootouts are a coinflip and the Islanders have somehow won all of the flips.

Then I think the Islanders are playing with a loaded puck. It's the only explanation, because you are exactly right- no team can be that lucky.

 

[Pumpkin Pal]

Frans Nielsen must also be the luckiest guy in the world then. Certainly no skill in him being the most successful shootout player in the NHL!

 

[Felix Unger]

Uh. I don't see how this is suppose to be a response to my point? Sounds like you agree with me. Shootouts are a coinflip and the Islanders have somehow won all of the flips.

What's the chance that two people on the same board would make the same silly claim.

Let me ask you a question. Before the NYI/NJD shootout last night, if given 50/50 odds, would you have put a hundy on the Islanders or not? If you say "no", then there's really no further point in having a conversation.

 

[Rehabguy]

A little trivia folks. The odds of landing a coin 10 times in a row on heads is 1 in 1024. The Isles apparently are 1 win in OT away from beating those odds.

 

[PenguinMario]

Jees man, 9-0 in OT/SO shows that it is CLEARLY something other than luck.

That's a fallacy.

 

[Hire Sather]

What's the chance that two people on the same board would make the same silly claim.

Let me ask you a question. Before the NYI/NJD shootout last night, if given 50/50 odds, would you have put a hundy on the Islanders or not? If you say "no", then there's really no further point in having a conversation.

I would have, mainly because the Islanders have pulled out these games all season. Its a smart bet to assume they will pull it out again. (And I'm insanely negative. I was rooting against them, so in my mind they were always going to win)

Even last night, with the Islanders, the best shootout team this season and the Devils, the worst shootout team over the last 2 years, it was still tied after 3 rounds and the Islanders still needed Halak to make a few saves with the game on the line. Could have EASILY gone the other way. It didn't, but it could have. I'm sure you think its all the amazing skill of the New York Islanders, but there is good fortune involved...

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

Must be due to chance alone, no other variables in effect here!

 

[Brunomics]

I would have, mainly because the Islanders have pulled out these games all season. Its a smart bet to assume they will pull it out again. (And I'm insanely negative. I was rooting against them, so in my mind they were always going to win)

Even last night, with the Islanders, the best shootout team this season and the Devils, the worst shootout team over the last 2 years, it was still tied after 3 rounds and the Islanders still needed Halak to make a few saves with the game on the line. Could have EASILY gone the other way. It didn't, but it could have. I'm sure you think its all the amazing skill of the New York Islanders, but there is good fortune involved...

There is good fortune involved on pretty much every shift of every game that is played. While I'm not fan of the shootout the fact is the Isles have very good shootout players and Halak has been solid in them as well. Some players are able to play in that situation and others just aren't as good at the skills competition. that's not luck that's just what it is.

 

[denis]

Uh. I don't see how this is suppose to be a response to my point? Sounds like you agree with me. Shootouts are a coinflip and the Islanders have somehow won all of the flips.

Yeah, no. A single event might be a coin flip, but the odds on a series of coin flips are anything but 50/50. Right now they stand at one in 64 in shoot out odds, and one in 512 in overtimes over all. Those are not impossible odds, but they are highly improbable.

The other alternative is that a shootout, like poker, is luck combined with skill, which weighs the odds much in the same way that a weighted coin would.

Put it this way, if someone flipped a coin 9 times and it landed heads each time, would you not expect that something about the flip or the coin was rigged? Of course you would.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

What's the chance that two people on the same board would make the same silly claim.

Let me ask you a question. Before the NYI/NJD shootout last night, if given 50/50 odds, would you have put a hundy on the Islanders or not? If you say "no", then there's really no further point in having a conversation.

Lol yep,

Frans Nielsen, Kyle Okposo and JT vs Severson or whoever, Ruutu and Josefson. Halak vs Kinkaid.

Just a flip of the coin huh?

 

[Felix Unger]

Even last night, with the Islanders, the best shootout team this season and the Devils, the worst shootout team over the last 2 years, it was still tied after 3 rounds and the Islanders still needed Halak to make a few saves with the game on the line. Could have EASILY gone the other way. It didn't, but it could have. I'm sure you think its all the amazing skill of the New York Islanders, but there is good fortune involved...

Of course it could have gone the other way. Of course there was a chance the Devils would win the shootout. It just wasn't 50%. I would have pegged it somewhere around 35% - about the same chance a good leadoff hitter gets on base.

So, if someone pays me 3:1 on the Devils winning, I'd probably take that bet. Agree?

 

[Hire Sather]

Lol yep,

Frans Nielsen, Kyle Okposo and JT vs Severson or whoever, Ruutu and Josefson. Halak vs Kinkaid.

Just a flip of the coin huh?

Like I said, despite the advantage in shootout player %s and the fact that the Devils have won 1 out of their last 20? shootouts, it was still tied after 3 rounds and the Devils still had I believe 2 tries to win it and Halak made the save. Props to Halak but he could've easily allowed a goal there. He didn't, and the Isles have gotten the big saves in the shootout all year, but you can't count on that happening. It can easily go the other way..

You can't go into a season, build a team and expect to be 6-0 in shootouts in mid december. You have good shootout players, but you can't see that you need some good fortune for it to go your way every time?

How did Brian Boucher and the Flyers win that season ending shootut against the Rangers in 2010? Boucher vs Lundqvist, how did the Rangers ever lose?

 

[Nolanitis]

Islanders fans too protective of their team to admit that some luck is involved in going 9-0 in OTs/SOs?

In all seriousness, if this trend continues look for the league to make changes to the point system (I still like the 3pt win). whenever the Isles exploit something, the league usually does change the rules!

 

[The Macho King]

Their record in OT doesn't surprise me. It's a young, fast team that would thrive with some open ice. SO is probably because they have some good SO specialists (Nielsen especially), but I never put much stock in being a good shootout team - you don't get shootouts in the playoffs.

 

[Nolanitis]

Their record in OT doesn't surprise me. It's a young, fast team that would thrive with some open ice. SO is probably because they have some good SO specialists (Nielsen especially), but I never put much stock in being a good shootout team - you don't get shootouts in the playoffs.

But those shootouts can get you a much higher seeding in the playoffs

 

[Felix Unger]

How did Brian Boucher and the Flyers win that season ending shootut against the Rangers in 2010? Boucher vs Lundqvist, how did the Rangers ever lose?

Sorry, but I think the problem here is your understanding of probability. Let me clarify:

(i) NYI are probably winning a larger percentage of shootouts than they would in a large sample.

(ii) Even in a large sample, NYI would win significantly more than 50% of all shootouts.

How much more? Who can say? I'd guess around 60-65%

Hard to believe this is controversial.