Burke did one of the more memorable rebuilds in Canuck history. Neither Nonis nor Gillis were in a position to. Weird comment.You just summed up Burke, Nonis, and Gillis as GMs. Now do you get how bad they left the team for Benning?
Burke did one of the more memorable rebuilds in Canuck history. Neither Nonis nor Gillis were in a position to. Weird comment.You just summed up Burke, Nonis, and Gillis as GMs. Now do you get how bad they left the team for Benning?
Burke did one of the more memorable rebuilds in Canuck history. Neither Nonis nor Gillis were in a position to. Weird comment.
Burke - Emptied the prospect cupboard with his trades. He’s like a politician - Spends assets to win in the present and let’s the future GMs deal with the fallout. Benning is dealing with that.
Nonis- Wasn’t allowed to do anything as he was relieved relatively quickly and replaced with Gillis. Nonis had zero prospects/empty farm system when he was hired.
Gillis - Incompetency defined. Couldn’t do anything to rebuild or even retool given the time he had. Zero prospects and empty cupboard when he was hired.
Benning - Dealing with the fallout of not only the previous GMs but having to pretty much rebuild the prospect cupboard from the ground up. That takes time. That’s how championship teams are built.
Is that a golf joke?Two presidents cups, meddling owners, Ron Delorme, cupboards are bare... womp womp
Burke - Emptied the prospect cupboard with his trades. He’s like a politician - Spends assets to win in the present and let’s the future GMs deal with the fallout. Benning is dealing with that.
Nonis- Wasn’t allowed to do anything as he was relieved relatively quickly and replaced with Gillis. Nonis had zero prospects/empty farm system when he was hired.
Gillis - Incompetency defined. Couldn’t do anything to rebuild or even retool given the time he had. Zero prospects and empty cupboard when he was hired.
Benning - Dealing with the fallout of not only the previous GMs but having to pretty much rebuild the prospect cupboard from the ground up. That takes time. That’s how championship teams are built.
Agree with most of the stuff here ,except for Benning tried to 're-open' the window..That window never closed until it was apparent the Sedins were done.Gillis inherited a team from Burke and Nonis that was on the cusp of doing some real damage in the playoffs. Under Nonis (but really Burke because Nonis only parachuted in before the '04 draft) they drafted Schneider, Edler, Hansen. Nonis legitimately drafted Raymond and I guess Grabner. Importantly, Nonis brought in Luongo, Mitchell, Burrows, but did a crap job finding a RW fit for the Sedins.
Gillis proceeded to masterfully put the finishing touches on the team that elevated it for a few years, at least to league juggernaut status. To do so, he mortgaged the future to extend the Cup contention window.
Either he, or more likely ownership, extended that window longer than was wise.
As for Benning, he ridiculously tried to re-open that window when all evidence indicated it was good and closed. That didn't help matters at all. But at the end of the day, as the Sedins declined so did the Canucks. We've been dealing with the fallout of that ever since.
Agree with most of the stuff here ,except for Benning tried to 're-open' the window..That window never closed until it was apparent the Sedins were done.
Like coach Tortorella before him, Benning was hired to 'salvage' what was left of the old core..compete (with the still viable Sedins)..and rebuild...(Ray Ferraro called it serving two masters).
Totally agree that it was closed..I thought it was closed as early as 2012..Also agree that doing right by the Sedins was a dumb idea as well..The window was closed. I understand the sentiment of trying to do right by the Sedins and give them another opportunity at the Cup, but that was never a realistic option.
If your opinion differs on this point, that's fine with me. Agree to disagree. This one point of contention accounts for ~90% of the acrimony on this message board.
Agree with most of the stuff here ,except for Benning tried to 're-open' the window..That window never closed until it was apparent the Sedins were done.
Like coach Tortorella before him, Benning was hired to 'salvage' what was left of the old core..compete (with the still viable Sedins)..and rebuild...(Ray Ferraro called it serving two masters).
Totally agree that it was closed..I thought it was closed as early as 2012..Also agree that doing right by the Sedins was a dumb idea as well..
We just differ in the belief that the choice to re-open the window was Bennings choice, his alone ..He wasn't hired in 2014 to do a complete rebuild.
261-146-51, 2 presidents Trophies, 5 straight playoff appearances, 6th in points, 7th in goals for/goals against = Incompetency defined (oh yeah - Horvat and Markstrom trades have been the biggest rebuilding moves in the organization since - being ****ty and drafting high isn't a rebuilding move when you're trying to compete).
175-186-49, tied longest streak in franchise history out of playoffs (while trying to be a playoff team each year), 4th worst record, 4th worst goals for, 7th worst goals against = How Championship teams are built.
Where do these folks come from ffs.
Both Nonis and Gillis never had the opportunity.One of the three.
Burke - Emptied the prospect cupboard with his trades. He’s like a politician - Spends assets to win in the present and let’s the future GMs deal with the fallout. Benning is dealing with that.
Nonis- Wasn’t allowed to do anything as he was relieved relatively quickly and replaced with Gillis. Nonis had zero prospects/empty farm system when he was hired.
Gillis - Incompetency defined. Couldn’t do anything to rebuild or even retool given the time he had. Zero prospects and empty cupboard when he was hired.
Benning - Dealing with the fallout of not only the previous GMs but having to pretty much rebuild the prospect cupboard from the ground up. That takes time. That’s how championship teams are built.
Burke - Emptied the prospect cupboard with his trades. He’s like a politician - Spends assets to win in the present and let’s the future GMs deal with the fallout. Benning is dealing with that.
Nonis- Wasn’t allowed to do anything as he was relieved relatively quickly and replaced with Gillis. Nonis had zero prospects/empty farm system when he was hired.
Gillis - Incompetency defined. Couldn’t do anything to rebuild or even retool given the time he had. Zero prospects and empty cupboard when he was hired.
Benning - Dealing with the fallout of not only the previous GMs but having to pretty much rebuild the prospect cupboard from the ground up. That takes time. That’s how championship teams are built.
Burke - Emptied the prospect cupboard with his trades. He’s like a politician - Spends assets to win in the present and let’s the future GMs deal with the fallout. Benning is dealing with that.
Nonis- Wasn’t allowed to do anything as he was relieved relatively quickly and replaced with Gillis. Nonis had zero prospects/empty farm system when he was hired.
Gillis - Incompetency defined. Couldn’t do anything to rebuild or even retool given the time he had. Zero prospects and empty cupboard when he was hired.
Benning - Dealing with the fallout of not only the previous GMs but having to pretty much rebuild the prospect cupboard from the ground up. That takes time. That’s how championship teams are built.
Well, if they have cookies fair enough!...and this is what it looks like when a poster goes over to the dark side.