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I've been following the team since the early 90s and this has already surpassed the Keenan/Messier era based on ownership issues and rewarding a GM that continues to fail.
I find it hilarious that everyone voting 'No' won't provide any examples of a worse era or reasoning for their vote. It's a silent acquiescence in taking an indefensible position.
Based on what?....results from a team that has bottomed out (after spending a long run going from the WCE era, straight into the Sedin era)..Eventually,you have to start from almost scratch again....If your expectations were a playoff team, and a revamped young core after 2-3 years.. thats just not realistic.
There's been several dark era's in this team where the buildings been half empty over 50 years...and I'm sure that over the next 50 years there will be more up and down cycles.
Based on what?....results from a team that has bottomed out (after spending a long run going from the WCE era, straight into the Sedin era)..Eventually,you have to start from almost scratch again....If your expectations were a playoff team, and a revamped young core after 2-3 years.. thats just not realistic.
There's been several dark era's in this team where the buildings been half empty over 50 years...and I'm sure that over the next 50 years there will be more up and down cycles.
I did ..the team bottomed out after a good run in the 2000's..thats not an excuse..thats reality..I'm sorry but this thread isn't about coming up with excuses. If you disagree with the premise, provide specific examples on how there are worse eras in the past and your reasons for why they are worse. Otherwise please do not post, I don't want to go off topic on your ramblings about why Benning is never at fault.
I did ..the team bottomed out after a good run in the 2000's..thats not an excuse..thats reality..
In 2014..we had one player in the prospect pool, and a declining,old, stale core..thats reality...
They made the playoffs in 2015,..and are turning the team around (replacing the old core with a very promising young core) after 'only' four years..thats reality.
In 2014..we had one player in the prospect pool, and a declining,old, stale core..thats reality...
1984-85 | Vancouver Canucks | NHL | Smythe | 80 | 25 | 46 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 59 | 0.369 | 284 | 401 | 1451 | 11147 | LaForge, Neale1985-86 | Vancouver Canucks | NHL | Smythe | 80 | 23 | 44 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 59 | 0.369 | 282 | 333 | 1813 | 10446 | Tom Watt | Lost in round 1 |
1986-87 | Vancouver Canucks | NHL | Smythe | 80 | 29 | 43 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 66 | 0.413 | 282 | 314 | 1917 | 10406 | Tom Watt | Out of Playoffs | ||||||||||||||||
1987-88 | Vancouver Canucks | NHL | Smythe | 80 | 25 | 46 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 59 | 0.369 | 272 | 320 | 2196 | 11002 | Bob McCammon | Out of Playoffs | ||||||||||||||||
1988-89 | Vancouver Canucks | NHL | Smythe | 80 | 33 | 39 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 74 | 0.463 | 251 | 253 | 1569 | 13772 | Bob McCammon | Lost in round 1 | ||||||||||||||||
1989-90 | Vancouver Canucks | NHL | Smythe | 80 | 25 | 41 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 64 | 0.400 | 245 | 306 | 1644 | 15417 | Bob McCammon | Out of Playoffs |
How many teams in a down cycle trade for win-now pieces in Sbisa/Bonino?
How many teams in a down cycle trade for Brandon Sutter with the express reasoning that he'd help them win in the playoffs?
How many teams in a down cycle sign FAs like Loui Eriksson?
How many teams in a down cycle trade essentially 24th, 33rd, and 74th for Erik Gudbranson (again, with reasoning that we need a big tough dman for the playoffs)?
How many teams in a down cycle have a pick deficit?
How many teams in a down cycle (that get out of the down cycle quickly) botch 2 top 6 picks?
Yes, we were in an inevitable down cycle and needed to overhaul the team—no one is in disagreement with this point. However, the execution of a vision (a vision I might add that was never clear) is what we have issues with and why we think this is one of the worst eras in team history.
All we had to do was hold the course, trade assets for pure futures packages/young prospects, sign bargain FAs on short term deals (and deal them at the deadline for even more picks), have a pick surplus for a few drafts and we'd be in a far stronger position to not just be a playoff team, but a team that might have a foundation that can challenge for a championship (Harman Dayal recently showed the work on this in a recent Athletic article).
This was the worst era (pre Pat Quinn)...Made the worst trade of all time (Cam Neely)..not to mention its 1st round picks Vaive,Derlago had all been traded for vets a few years earlier...Team used to get beaten like a drum by the Alberta teams on a consistent basis....Building was more than half empty...Nobody cared...Completely irrelevant in the market at that time...They could have relocated the team, and nobody would have batted an eyelid.[TBODY] [/TBODY]
1984-85 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 25 46 9 0 0 59 0.369 284 401 1451 11147 LaForge, Neale1985-86 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 23 44 13 0 0 59 0.369 282 333 1813 10446 Tom Watt Lost in round 1 1986-87 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 29 43 8 0 0 66 0.413 282 314 1917 10406 Tom Watt Out of Playoffs 1987-88 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 25 46 9 0 0 59 0.369 272 320 2196 11002 Bob McCammon Out of Playoffs 1988-89 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 33 39 8 0 0 74 0.463 251 253 1569 13772 Bob McCammon Lost in round 1 1989-90 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 25 41 14 0 0 64 0.400 245 306 1644 15417 Bob McCammon Out of Playoffs
The last 4 years have not been even close to that.
The OP must be young.
Some of us were here for 70s and 80s
However, the lack of a real plan, lack of vision, lack of creativity to deal with salary cap(which is problem that will get only worse), pro scouting, is as bad as I have seen it from a management group.
I'm sorry..but...You're quoting a period of time where we made the playoffs twice (1986 and 1989), that is more success than the last 5 years.
Picking Juolevi over Tkachuk is just as bad as the Neely trade IMO.
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it's not even remotely close to the worst. the entirety of the first 20 years was far worse. to take a snapshot: after we traded neely in 1985, for all of 1986 and 1987 we were a sub 60 point team with no prospects. not a single ray of hope. everybody busted or was ruined. not to mention we had to watch neely take off elsewhere (after watching vaive do the same). the big jim sandlak era was as if our best prospect for three years was virtanen but he couldn't skate and had no hands.
or how about the fact that prior to bure we had in over 20 years never had a 50 goal scorer or a 100 point player when the league was full of them. we literally never had a true star player. we had only one season over .500 before the 1990s. a whopping 86 points was what we managed the one year we did that and then the habs toyed with us in the playoffs.
for 20 years we were also routinely annihilated by our division rivals and marquee teams. there were teams from the east we had not beaten in years. we did have the one redeeming moment of the 1983 cup run, but recall the reality check in the final.
I'm sorry..but...
Not even remotely close.
This was the worst era (pre Pat Quinn)...Made the worst trade of all time (Cam Neely)..not to mention its 1st round picks Vaive,Derlago had all been traded for vets a few years earlier...Team used to get beaten like a drum by the Alberta teams on a consistent basis....Building was more than half empty...Nobody cared...Completely irrelevant in the market at that time...They could have relocated the team, and nobody would have batted an eyelid.[TBODY] [/TBODY]
1984-85 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 25 46 9 0 0 59 0.369 284 401 1451 11147 LaForge, Neale1985-86 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 23 44 13 0 0 59 0.369 282 333 1813 10446 Tom Watt Lost in round 1 1986-87 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 29 43 8 0 0 66 0.413 282 314 1917 10406 Tom Watt Out of Playoffs 1987-88 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 25 46 9 0 0 59 0.369 272 320 2196 11002 Bob McCammon Out of Playoffs 1988-89 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 33 39 8 0 0 74 0.463 251 253 1569 13772 Bob McCammon Lost in round 1 1989-90 Vancouver Canucks NHL Smythe 80 25 41 14 0 0 64 0.400 245 306 1644 15417 Bob McCammon Out of Playoffs
The last 4 years have not been even close to that.
I've been a fan since 81 and the sheer incompetence has been mind blowing many times. However at least now we have a bunch of kids that show true star level possibility. Before Pat Quinn came this was a joke of a franchise known more for the ugly V sweaters then anything else. Sure we had one run in 82 but got annihilated in final. Our best player or team hero was Stan Smyl yes a Canucks icon but really he wasn't a star. I've seen some dark days for sure. Now we have a meddling owner and a GM who shouldn't really have been hired in first place. As we all saw after he is out of his depth. However we have a a solid core emerging and a lot of dead weight falling off in 2-3 years if we can get through these next 2 years I see a bright future. Now let me add I'm not a Benning fan but were far from the darkest days I've seen before. Maybe just maybe ownership sees the light and Benning is let go next season and we get someone credible and go on to be a contender once again.I find it hilarious that everyone voting 'No' won't provide any examples of a worse era or reasoning for their vote. It's a silent acquiescence in taking an indefensible position.