Is Steve Yzerman an above average GM?

[Tufted Titmouse]

It's not likely to regress, it's guaranteed to regress. The question isn't if Detroit's a top 5 team in the league, it's whether or not they are really as bad as people predicted them to be and if the rebuild is a failure without hope like many thought when they traded away Gustav Lindström.

I feel like most people predicted them to just barely miss. I dont think anyone expected them to be really bad. Larkin has found a new gear, or maybe is just finally playing with someone who can finish.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

That's the thing about good rebuilds. They're usually not going go in a straight line to the top. And a lot of the time, they won't seemingly be doing much at all until that moment the team just clicks. So, a lot of the time people don't see it coming.

 

[Cianide]

I like the duo of Larkin and Seider, but other than that, what has Stevie Why done?

 

[Pavels Dog]

I like the duo of Larkin and Seider, but other than that, what has Stevie Why done?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Mantha left Detroit and instantly became Chiasson. Big dude but man he sucks now.

 

[Nucks2001]

Lol.

The question is asking if he’s “above-average.” That is, “Is he better than 50% of the GMs in the NHL?” The answer to that is a resounding yes and you’re delusional if you think otherwise.

Do I think Yzerman is overrated? At times yes. He gets a lot of credit for drafting the Lighting Dynasty that came to be, but in reality Tampa’s scouts were to thank for that. Still, a GM has to trust his scouts and ensure these players develop the right way. Additionally, he bailed Tampa out of cap trouble MULTIPLE times and brought in great glue guys that were key for their cup wins.

Since he’s arrived in Detroit, he’s transformed an atrocious Wings team into a one that is at least respectable and has a bright future. Will they make the playoffs this season? They definitely have a chance I think. But it’s safe to say what Yzerman has done in 4 years, is A HECK of a lot more than what MOST GMs have been able to accomplish throughout their ENTIRE CAREERS.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

The naysayers in this thread are the epitome of fans that can’t think and see past their own noses.

Build a deep team of solid players without any major superstars. Don’t get locked into unnecessarily long deals on guys. Build a deep prospect pool. Make a big splash trade when needed.

 

[McJedi]

Pretty good GM. But man was Seider overrated after his rookie season. League got some film on the guy, realized he’s not a great skater and adjusted accordingly.

Drafting Seider was a huge reason Yzerman was lauded in the first place.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Pretty good GM. But man was Seider overrated after his rookie season. League got some film on the guy, realized he’s not a great skater and adjusted accordingly.

Drafting Seider was a huge reason Yzerman was lauded in the first place.

Seider’s fantastic, not sure what you’re talking about.

 

[TS Quint]

Pretty good GM. But man was Seider overrated after his rookie season. League got some film on the guy, realized he’s not a great skater and adjusted accordingly.

Drafting Seider was a huge reason Yzerman was lauded in the first place.

Damn, all Yzerman's picks are 22 years old and under. Going back to Tampa Yzerman has taken his time with prospects, most of them are going to spend time in the AHL and its worked out. It's going to be ok.

 

[Hockeyholic]

I'm not debating the fact that Yzerman took over an absolute trainwteck from Holland.

I do wonder how many more years without the postseason he is afforded. 2? 3? I'm not trying to say he's been bad.

I'm legitimately curious.

 

[Pukboy5kroner]

Seider’s fantastic, not sure what you’re talking about.

He can be both fantastic and overrated.

 

[ricky0034]

I'm not debating the fact that Yzerman took over an absolute trainwteck from Holland.

I do wonder how many more years without the postseason he is afforded. 2? 3? I'm not trying to say he's been bad.

I'm legitimately curious.

add a zero

for better or worse Yzerman's as untouchable as it gets in terms of job security in Detroit, especially while Marian Illitch is still alive

 

[McJedi]

Seider’s fantastic, not sure what you’re talking about.

Seider is ok. Seider's underlying metrics paint the picture of a middle pair level player.

All Skaters | HockeyStatCards.com

Currently Seider has an average game score of 0.24. 11th best on his team. Behind all of Shayne Gostisbehere, Olli Maatta and Justin Holl. Barely above Ben Chiarot.

Lucas Raymond sure looks good to start the season though. He's got a very strong average game score of 1.24. 3rd best on the team and close to top 50 in the NHL. Seider is ranked the 381st best player in the NHL based on his average game score so far this season.

This is just one of many analytical tools, but paints a pretty clear picture of Seider's season thus far. Very blah. Just like his sophomore year last season. Lets put it this way... dude isn't going anywhere near the Norris. The very idea is laughable.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Down to 8th in the east by pts%. Can they make the push this year? I don't think they will get in.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Seider is ok. Seider's underlying metrics paint the picture of a middle pair level player.

All Skaters | HockeyStatCards.com

Currently Seider has an average game score of 0.24. 11th best on his team. Behind all of Shayne Gostisbehere, Olli Maatta and Justin Holl. Barely above Ben Chiarot.

Lucas Raymond sure looks good to start the season though. He's got a very strong average game score of 1.24. 3rd best on the team and close to top 50 in the NHL. Seider is ranked the 381st best player in the NHL based on his average game score so far this season.

This is just one of many analytical tools, but paints a pretty clear picture of Seider's season thus far. Very blah. Just like his sophomore year last season. Lets put it this way... dude isn't going anywhere near the Norris. The very idea is laughable.

Try watching a hockey game every now and then. I'm not sure anyone is saying he's on track for a Norris this season, but using gamescore is what's laughable.

Here's a list of some players his average game score is currently better than:

Brayden Point
Roman Josi
Jake Sanderson
Mark Stone
Thomas Chabot
Devon Toews
Victor Hedman
Alex Pietrangelo
Mikhail Sergachev
Adam Larsson

And he's tied with Hampus Lindholm.

So sure, he hasn't been amazing to start the season. He's still a 22 year old #1D taking the toughest matchups night in and night out and with 10 points in 10 games to start.

 

[Albatros]

2nd among all defensemen in scoring, not good enough for the top pair.

 

[dragonballgtz]

Yeah I think he is better than 16 other GMs...hell maybe even 20.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Lol.

The question is asking if he’s “above-average.” That is, “Is he better than 50% of the GMs in the NHL?” The answer to that is a resounding yes and you’re delusional if you think otherwise.

Do I think Yzerman is overrated? At times yes. He gets a lot of credit for drafting the Lighting Dynasty that came to be, but in reality Tampa’s scouts were to thank for that. Still, a GM has to trust his scouts and ensure these players develop the right way. Additionally, he bailed Tampa out of cap trouble MULTIPLE times and brought in great glue guys that were key for their cup wins.

Since he’s arrived in Detroit, he’s transformed an atrocious Wings team into a one that is at least respectable and has a bright future. Will they make the playoffs this season? They definitely have a chance I think. But it’s safe to say what Yzerman has done in 4 years, is A HECK of a lot more than what MOST GMs have been able to accomplish throughout their ENTIRE CAREERS.

Lightning not a dynasty

 

[Nucks2001]

Lightning not a dynasty

3 finals in 3 years. They still have 1 more season to get that elusive 3 in 5 and another to get 3 in 6.

Depends on your definition of dynasty. I think they’re damn close to one though and they can still built on it.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

3 finals in 3 years. They still have 1 more season to get that elusive 3 in 5 and another to get 3 in 6.

Depends on your definition of dynasty. I think they’re damn close to one though and they can still built on it.

At least 3 Cups in 4 years is the official dynasty definition

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Yzerman is definitively an above average GM at putting a team together. His roster building from the pro/pro scouting side of things is elite most of the time. A couple questionable signings like every GM but his under the radar signings (Sprong this year) make up for that.

The incredible thing is he's put together a likely playoff bound Red Wings team without his higher non-1st round picks coming through to contribute: Tuomisto, Mastrosimone (did not sign), Johansson, Wallinder, Niederbach, Hanas, Buium (still in the NCAA), Mazur.

 

[dirtydanglez]

still average. i dont see a cup contender in the future here.

 

[izlez]

At least 3 Cups in 4 years is the official dynasty definition

What a random bump of a thread to say something so radically untrue. There is no "official" definition of a dynasty. Unless you want to look it up in the dictionary, which definitely doesn't say that,

Sports Dynasty
The determination of whether a team or individual has achieved a dynasty is subjective. This results in debate among sports fans due to a lack of consensus and agreement on the different variables and criteria that could be used to define a dynasty