Is players scuttling trade deals going to be a regular thing now?... Even with teams not on their NMC list?

[tfwnogf]

Hanifin is a hero for standing up to the Flames. A goddamn hero.

 

[ijuka]

Hope so. Players don't have enough rights as is.

 

[Chainshot]

I mean, this has always been a thing. Not sure why the tempest in the teapot from Frank now.

 

[ponder719]

I mean, this has always been a thing. Not sure why the tempest in the teapot from Frank now.

There are few traditions as time-honored as media members carrying water for teams to ensure the teams don't freeze them out of news in the future.

 

[MXD]

I mean, this has always been a thing. Not sure why the tempest in the teapot from Frank now.

Because he's being used by the Flames to deflect the blame on somebody else.

 

[WarriorofTime]

If a player doesn’t want to extend somewhere, that’s his right. That will impact his trade value even without a NTC.

 

[Tatar Shots]

This is just complaining that UFA exists.

 

[HolyGhost]

my guess Hanifan knows what he team he wants to play for or teams he is willing to consider. Players have control and team are not willing over pay for a player who will not sign with them in the off season

 

[joestevens29]

Hope so. Players don't have enough rights as is.

Of all the pro leagues in North America I think they have the most.

I get it teams are afraid to trade assets for a guy they might lose, but then you just make a package based around that.

Why teams think they should get assets for a UFA like the guy is signed is another issue.

You have an impending UFA, stop expecting monster returns. You want a better return then trade him in the summer or early in the season when it's clear the guy isn't going to re-sign with you.

There were a lot of guys traded the past week and I'm sure a lot of teams would've liked to get more for their player yet this is just an issue for one team. Don't get it.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

There is still limited evidence that an extension would have increased his value in a meaningful way. H. Lindholm was a slam dunk trade comp. The Ducks didn’t get that much more in the trade. It didn’t unlock a top prospect like Lysell or another 1st.

The Flames used up his Hanifin’s peak value 2nd contract years. The genie was not going back in the bottle.

 

[Primary Assist]

Hanifin was doing the potential acquirers a favor by removing information asymmetries. Teams will want to know their odds of retaining a trade target before parting with some of their most valuable assets

 

[joestevens29]

my guess Hanifan knows what he team he wants to play for or teams he is willing to consider. Players have control and team are not willing over pay for a player who will not sign with them in the off season

Even if he doesn't know where he wants to go, he has earned his right to wait to July 1st if he so chooses too.

Players always seem to get the blame, yet when teams decided to not re-sign a guy or trade him or don't sign them as a draft pick we don't hear "what a bad team, look what they are doing to the player". This is all apart of professional sports

 

[GirardSpinorama]

The flames messed up by not trading hanifin sooner and also even giving permission to other teams. They destroyed their only leverage.

 

[Guttersniped]

So do you think more players are going to do what Hanifin did in the trade?
...ie. You can trade for me but when my contract is up I won't re-sign with you.

You know when you hear about teams trading players not letting other teams discuss an extension with a player before a trade?

This is why they do that.

If Hanifin saying that to teams caused problems that’s on Calgary.

 

[HolyGhost]

Even if he doesn't know where he wants to go, he has earned his right to wait to July 1st if he so chooses too.

Players always seem to get the blame, yet when teams decided to not re-sign a guy or trade him or don't sign them as a draft pick we don't hear "what a bad team, look what they are doing to the player". This is all apart of professional sports

I agree. Teams ask "will you sign with us"? HE goes no and a team decides the ask is too high. I have no problem with players having this power, even though my team will appear on many of their NTC list

 

[GirardSpinorama]

There is still limited evidence that an extension would have increased his value in a meaningful way. H. Lindholm was a slam dunk trade comp. The Ducks didn’t get that much more in the trade. It didn’t unlock a top prospect like Lysell or another 1st.

The Flames used up his Hanifin’s peak value 2nd contract years. The genie was not going back in the bottle.

Ya but we also dont know if h lindholm was willing to go to other teams or if boston was a preferred location.

 

[joestevens29]

I agree. Teams ask "will you sign with us"? HE goes no and a team decides the ask is too high. I have no problem with players having this power, even though my team will appear on many of their NTC list

My team is in the same boat with a lot of players and we are deemed a "contender" by a lot, lol.

Been through it before for years either we can't trade for guys or the free agents we signed were B level getting A level dollars.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Players exercising their collectively bargained rights? Hopefully it continues to happen for the foreseeable future.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

So do you think more players are going to do what Hanifin did in the trade?
...ie. You can trade for me but when my contract is up I won't re-sign with you.

It's happened before. It's happened in the past. People just increasingly have the memory of a goldfish, and in an era where information is so readily available people can't be bothered to use basic tools to look and find that information.

Absolutely. The agents have taken control of the league.....not for the betterment of the game.

This was said 30 years ago. The game is fine. The problem is GMs who are unable to use the word "no" and hand over control of where a player can go to the player and his agent, and then the GM complains about not being able to do what he wants.

That's going to suck for a lot of teams. There seems to be 4 or 5 teams that are a destination of choice. The rich get richer while the rest of the league fights for the leftovers.

20 years ago, the destinations of choice were NY Rangers, Toronto, Detroit, Colorado and Dallas.

10 years ago, it was Chicago and Pittsburgh and Boston and Los Angeles.

"teams that are a destination of choice" come and go. They always will.

do you think this is new?

Apparently, yes - if we ignore it happening in 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, ...

I mean, this has always been a thing. Not sure why the tempest in the teapot from Frank now.

Boredom and a demand to be sufficiently entertained, screw everyone else's rights and considerations.

 

[hurdemz]

Why is everyone pretending like this is new? Players traded for a playoff run (wether high profile or not) have always had the choice if they want to resign with said team.

 

[Voight]

At least it's not the NBA where guys will refuse to report to a team if they didn't wanna be traded there.

 

[jetsmooseice]

Hanifin is a coming UFA. Players who are coming UFAs have earned the right to see what they can get on July 1.

Pretty much this. I'm not a huge fan of unrestricted gratuitous NMCs/NTCs (there should be a cost attached, or a limit). But in Hanifin's case, well, that's why they're called rentals

 

[Kairi Zaide]

do you think this is new?

The even funnier thing is that it's those "trades with extensions in place" that are newer lol

The bigger issue here seems to be Conroy/the Flames trying to sell something he/they didn't have possession of (that is, Hanifin's rights after July 1st 2024).

Exactly. It's that new stratagem to try to get some more value out of an upcoming UFA. Sometimes it works, but teams aren't entitled to it. Along with all these crazy conditions on picks we've been seeing lately.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

This isn't anything new.

Calgary wanted to do a trade and sign to get more value. Hanafin had only a couple places he would sign with.

It's a nothing burger. They got rental price.

 

[joestevens29]

Just seems like a rookie GM complaining about something as he apparently has lots to complain about and complaining about his owner isn't going to do any good.