Is players scuttling trade deals going to be a regular thing now?... Even with teams not on their NMC list?

[Rubi]

On Thursday’s edition of Sekeres and Price (part of the Nation Network of podcasts), Daily Faceoff’s Frank Seravalli explained why the trade return wasn’t larger for the Flames.

I know people have been speed-bagging Craig Conroy and the Calgary Flames on social media for the return, they had zero leverage. Noah Hanifin completely and totally hijacked that trade process. Basically any team that had called… and I’m told the Flames had two to three different trades that were nearing the finish line that were scuttled by Hanifin’s camp because invariably the team makes a call to the agent and says ‘Hey we’re thinking about trading for this guy, what are the chances we could get him to sign a contract extension?’ And the answer was always, ‘No, no, he’s not re-signing with you.’

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[dirtydanglez]

no, he has a right to decide where he wants to play the next 7 or 8 years.

 

[JAK]

Players have a right to not negotiate a contract.

 

[Rubi]

no, he has a right to decide where he wants to play the next 7 or 8 years.

So do you think more players are going to do what Hanifin did in the trade?
...ie. You can trade for me but when my contract is up I won't re-sign with you.

 

[ricky0034]

any pending UFA not willing to sign whatever extension will bring Calgary the most trade value deserves a hefty suspension(and a lifetime ban in the case of repeat offenses)

 

[dirtydanglez]

So do you think more players are going to do what Hanifin did in the trade?
...ie. You can trade for me but when my contract is up I won't re-sign with you.

that was always an option so i dont think it's going to change much. you also have to be a certain level of player to use that card.

it sucks for calgary but that was hanifins right

 

[Channelcat]

Absolutely. The agents have taken control of the league.....not for the betterment of the game.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Imagine wanting to have a say in where you will play for the rest of your career when signing your UFA contract. Escandalo.

 

[Rubi]

that was always an option so i dont think it's going to change much. you also have to be a certain level of player to use that card.

it sucks for calgary but that was hanifins right

That's going to suck for a lot of teams. There seems to be 4 or 5 teams that are a destination of choice. The rich get richer while the rest of the league fights for the leftovers.

 

[Fatass]

So do you think more players are going to do what Hanifin did in the trade?
...ie. You can trade for me but when my contract is up I won't re-sign with you.

Hanifin is a coming UFA. Players who are coming UFAs have earned the right to see what they can get on July 1.

 

[Crease]

NTC applies to the existing contract. For extensions, the player has the right to say whatever he wants. Calgary got a rental return, and they’re not entitled to anything more.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Player has every right to say yes or no talking an extension especially as they get close to unrestricted free agency. They don’t owe the teams anything.

 

[Scoripo Rising]

I don't believe this is anything remotely new.

The term 'short term rental' is not called 'lease with an option to buy' for a reason

 

[viper0220]

This is why I believe you trade them, when they a year or two left.

That’s probably going to happen going forward.

 

[beowulf]

So do you think more players are going to do what Hanifin did in the trade?
...ie. You can trade for me but when my contract is up I won't re-sign with you.

Players have been doing it for years, this is nothing new at all.

 

[banks]

On Thursday’s edition of Sekeres and Price (part of the Nation Network of podcasts), Daily Faceoff’s Frank Seravalli explained why the trade return wasn’t larger for the Flames.

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That's the same as every other deadline rental ever. No player should be expected to sign an extension with the new team just to help their old team maximize their trade return.

Seravalli is creating drama from nothing at Hanafin's expense. It's BS. It shouldn't have been reported that way. Hanafin didn't "hijack" or "scuttle" anything. He didn't demand a trade, nor did he nix one with a trade clause. What action did he take that anyone would want him to have done differently?

Should he have signed away years of his life and completely ignored what him or his family think is best, and sign with whatever team is offering a slightly higher pick to CGY? Come on! Him and his family get to make that call, not the best trade return.

The real problem here is BS reporters stirring up garbage, and people spreading it like it matters without thinking it through.

Close this thread.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I think this is more Conroy and the Flames putting the horse before the wagon and trying to sell a signed Hanifin to teams, only to get frustrated when Hanifin only wants to be treated as a rental unless its for a few of his chosen locations. But he was still willing to go play whereever's not on his no trade list for 4 months.

That's not him holding the Flames hostage. That's the Flames trying to get more value by having him make an extra committment beyond his current contract.


Is the Flames best answer to gaslight in this situation? Though I guess it is an improvement of calling a summons to surrender to police for a r*pe a mental health break.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

any pending UFA not willing to sign whatever extension will bring Calgary the most trade value deserves a hefty suspension(and a lifetime ban in the case of repeat offenses)

Yep, Ottawa should lose a first rounder too.

 

[forever1922]

What a stupid take, there is no discussion in this. Happened a thousand times before. You don't let it get to this and if you do you have only yourself to blame.

Is the point of this thread to illustrate the utter incompetence of the Flames?

 

[MXD]

The bigger issue here seems to be Conroy/the Flames trying to sell something he/they didn't have possession of (that is, Hanifin's rights after July 1st 2024).

 

[KingsFan7824]

Players flexed their muscles back in the early 90's, and while they generally lose(relatively) the big picture CBA negotiations, when it comes to individual player negotiations, the in-demand player will always win. That's why they keep getting NMC's and NTC's.

It sucks for the team that has to trade a guy, but generally when teams have to trade someone, they don't have much leverage anyway.

It's just a player exercising his rights. That's the game. We'd all love to be in such a position.

 

[MXD]

Also... This is a pretty blatant communication strategy by the Flames to deflect the blame on somebody else than themselves, and to have the fanbase -- or, at least, the dimmest part of the fanbase -- turn on the player instead.

 

[habsterr]

Bad take player can chose where to play too. If you want to control him should have traded him when he was an RFA.

 

[ForsbergMoDo21]

How are other teams allowed to contact him while he’s under contract with Calgary unless the Flames gave permission?

 

[KarlssonsGroin]

So do you think more players are going to do what Hanifin did in the trade?
...ie. You can trade for me but when my contract is up I won't re-sign with you.

do you think this is new?