Is Matthews making Ovi look a bit replacable?

[illpucks]

Ovi is seen by some as the last player that will ever hit 700 goals, the best goal scorer ever etc. Matthews last season had 55 goal pace, this season 62 goal pace, and has never had below a 40 goal pace over 82.

Could Matthews also be a candidate to top 894? His scoring consistency is starting to make Ovi's numbers look like they aren't that special. I know Ovi has won the Richard for a long time and I like Ovi, so kindly post only if you have something to add here.

I just don't see Ovi being as special as he's made out to be from a goal scoring perspective (he is good at other things like playmaking) with Matthews performing like this (if he can keep this consistency). That is all.

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[Dr Jan Itor]

It took over 10 years for someone like Matthews to show up after Ovechkin, so yeah, he’s still pretty special.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Your thread is about a decade too early.

 

[howkie]

Please, just dont...

 

[elite1prospects]

thanks for the bedtime Iaugh

 

[Mez]

Why didnt you just bump you passing of the torch thread?

 

[illpucks]

Why didnt you just bump you passing of the torch thread?

I guess that was a discussion about if Laine was suppose to take the torch if I remember correctly but then Matthews took it instead.

 

[AKL]

I think if you look at Stamkos, who actually scored 60 once (not just paced for it like Matthews), scored 51 another time, and has had several other 40 goal seasons in his career, and how he's still only sitting at 438, you'll quickly realize you may have jumped the gun on this thread.

Stamkos won a Richard at age 19 and age 21. Matthews might finally win one at 23 though.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Not your best work, illpucks. You tried a bit too hard with this one imo.

 

[93LEAFS]

It took over 10 years for someone like Matthews to show up after Ovechkin, so yeah, he’s still pretty special.

Stamkos had a ridiculous start to his career goal-scoring wise too. Ovi consistency over 15 seasons is just ridiculous.

Matthews is the best player on my favorite team. 894? Barring a dramatic scoring rate improvements league-wide that isn't happening. 600 goals is a huge ask in the current scoring environment.

 

[Albatros]

Mike Gartner scored 708, let's see if Matthews gets there. Only 523 to go, ten 50-goal seasons in a row and he can be close.

 

[illpucks]

I think if you look at Stamkos, who actually scored 60 once (not just paced for it like Matthews), scored 51 another time, and has had several other 40 goal seasons in his career, and how he's still only sitting at 438, you'll quickly realize you may have jumped the gun on this thread.

Stamkos won a Richard at age 19 and age 21. Matthews might finally win one at 23 though.

Well that goal post in Boston ruined his career sadly. He was suppose to be the next one.

 

[leafsfan5]

Ovechkin is 35 and comparable to a 23 year old Matthews in terms of goal scoring. His consistency is unrivalled.

Matthews is the best goal scorer in hockey right now imo, but Ovi is the greatest goal scorer in the history of hockey. Let's not get it twisted here.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

*checks last nights scores*

Yup, the Leafs won

 

[The Great Dame]

I think if you look at Stamkos, who actually scored 60 once (not just paced for it like Matthews), scored 51 another time, and has had several other 40 goal seasons in his career, and how he's still only sitting at 438, you'll quickly realize you may have jumped the gun on this thread.

Stamkos won a Richard at age 19 and age 21. Matthews might finally win one at 23 though.

Matthews is already 23? f*** time flies

 

[McFlyingV]

I mean I guess he could if he averages over 40 goals a year for the next 17 seasons after this. You tell me if that's likely or not.

 

[abo9]

Could Matthews also be a candidate to top 894? His scoring consistency is starting to make Ovi's numbers look like they aren't that special. I know Ovi has won the Richard for a long time and I like Ovi, so kindly post only if you have something to add here.

What's the point of this thread? Bolded especially is factually false... how can Matthew's numbers make Ovechkin's number not look special when Ovechkin's goalscoring is better whatever optic you want to look at?

Ovechkin
- has more goals at the same point in his career,
- had more goals since AM has entered the league
- STILL has a better goals/game ration - which is insane considering his career length
- Something something 9 Rockets to 0 (potentially 1!!)

 

[SI90]

Mathews is the best goal scoring center in the NHL right now. Ovi is the greatest pure goal scorer of all time. Auston has a little ways to go.

those paces for Matthew’s are great but Ovi actually has scored 60+goals in a season and a bunch of 50 goal seasons.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Ovi is seen by some as the last player that will ever hit 700 goals, the best goal scorer ever etc. Matthews last season had 55 goal pace, this season 62 goal pace, and has never had below a 40 goal pace over 82.

Could Matthews also be a candidate to top 894? His scoring consistency is starting to make Ovi's numbers look like they aren't that special. I know Ovi has won the Richard for a long time and I like Ovi, so kindly post only if you have something to add here.

I just don't see Ovi being as special as he's made out to be from a goal scoring perspective (he is good at other things like playmaking) with Matthews performing like this (if he can keep this consistency). That is all.

What an awful thread and way to make the Leafs fan base look awful. Come off it.

 

[illpucks]

What an awful thread and way to make the Leafs fan base look awful. Come off it.

They score in different ways but Ovi has never done anything like this in his career and it makes it look like this is a new level of goalscoring

 

[SimpleJack]

Ovi wishes he was half the player Matthews is let’s be honest...

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Ovi is the GOAT goal scorer.

Nothing about his career or goal-scoring is replaceable.

To put it simply, the Rocket should be named after him once he retires.

 

[MadLuke]

His scoring consistency is starting to make Ovi's numbers look like they aren't that special.

Kovalchuk scored 40 goals or more 6 season in a row (with 2 50+ in that streak) and considering when he played is first 2, those 2 where close to 40 goals pace now if not superior.

kovalchuk debut pace by 82
18 year's old season: 37
19 year's old season: 38
20 year's old season: 41
lock out
22 year's old season: 55
23 year's old season: 42

Matthews
19 year's old season: 40
20 year's old season: 45
21 year's old season: 47
22 year's old season: 55
23 year's old season: 61.5



Keeping it past that 26, 27 year's old and still being in the Richad conversation all the time like Ovechkin (and Bobby Hull) and being able to play all those games and to always do it is really special (that and how high is peak was), having 5-6-7 good pace/actual scoring season in a row did happen before him (Lafleur, Yzerman, Hull)

Look at Luke Robitaille first 8 season

45-53-46-52-45-44-63-44

All those player existed before Ovechkin and he still looked special.

 

[MadLuke]

To put it simply, the Rocket should be named after him once he retires.

I guess that is probably a joke, but considering it was giving to the NHL by the montreal Canadian with Maurice on it that would be ridiculous

 

[Raym11]

I see we have forgot just how good Ovechkin is/was again


Matthews has yet to match Ovechkins rookie season even though he was a lock last year

I think he can win Rockets, but hes clearly developing his game towards having a presence all over the ice that might lower his goal scoring eventually

Meanwhile Ovechkin is half a season removed from a Rocket race in his golden years