Is Matthews making Ovi look a bit replacable?

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  1. Rhaegar Targaryen Registered User

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    Ovechkin's first five season goal totals: 52, 46, 65, 56, 50
    Matthews first five season goal totals: 40, 34, 37, 47, 28 (and counting)

    Ovechkin has an 86 goal lead over the first 5 seasons. GP is pretty irrelevant when chasing a record like most goals scored - and Ovechkin's durability is definitely a plus over Matthews'.

    Now let's remember very few can put up a lengthy goal scoring career like Ovechkin can, and history says that Matthews probably won't be scoring at this rate into mid-30s. Heck, Ovechkin outscored Matthews as a 34 year old last season, and you could predict these are Matthews' best goal-scoring seasons (Ovechkin's best goal-scoring seasons were years 3-4).
     
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    I mean Ovi is still doing it in his mid 30's, so it remains to be seen how long Matthews can be consistent for
     
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    Ovechkin is a freak when it comes to staying physically healthy, that and you know, he's scoring 50+ goals well into his mid-30's... Matthew's hasn't hit that mark once yet.

    Matthews is more on par with Kovalchuk/Stamkos than Ovechkin through the first 4 years.
     
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    I hope this thread is locked and long gone by the time I wake up tommorrow. Please mods close this before anyone takes the OP seriously
     
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    Ovechkin scored on his back and spent a solid 5 year time frame flying down the wing using the opposing defender as a screen with unstoppable wristers
     
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    What makes Ovechkin special aside from his peak is that he's an elite goal scorer well into his 30s. That is not common. You can't just assume Matthews will do that.
     
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    Welcome to my world as a Crosby fan.
     
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    Oh man this might be the worst thread I've seen on here
     
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    Ovechkin's first five season goal totals: 52, 46, 65, 56, 50
    Matthews first five season goal totals (pace): 40, 45, 45, 55, 62
     
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    It's amazing to me that someone could have over 19,000 posts, and still start topics like this.... WTF?
     
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    ???? what :laugh:
     
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    you mean question if a player who had 55 goal pace and 62 goal pace is next Ovi? it's amazing some of the extrapolations when the topic or premise is very reasonable. Might be premature but calling it an awful thread, outlandish etc is illogical as just look at Matthews performance so far.
     
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    "Pace"

    How about the guy wins ONE Rocket first?

    Ovechkin is arguably the greatest goal scorer of all time.
     
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    Matthews had a 328 goal pace after his first nhl game, I'd say he has fallen way short of expectations tbh
     
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    Would you say that he is the is the most highly evolved goalscorer in hockey history ?

    One way to look at it since Matthews entered the nhl:

    185 goals in 318 games, 0 Rocket

    Past is prime 31 year's old Ovechkin during that time has 200 goals in 348 games with 3 rockets.
     
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    Pace
     
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    You're really outdoing yourself here. Garbage take.
     
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    Stop talking about pace, it’s irrelevant.
     
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    Did you seriously just use pace here? You need to step away from the computer.
     
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    Compare the players though their age 23 season. Ovechkin will likely have a 20 goal lead with significantly less games played. There are some things that aren't really working in Matthews favor either. 1. he doesn't have the huge raw number years, everything is PACE. 700 is 700, not PACE for 700. Fact is, 47 is the most he's scored in a season, and he MIGHT have 3 huge goal and 3-4 big goal years left, based on historical averages. He needs to get to 50 real quick and stay there if you expect him to top 894. Gretzky's last 50 goal year was his 28 yo season. 2. his shooting percentage probably won't hover around 16% for his career, which he's currently at. If it does, like Stamkos, although he's closer to 17%, expect his shots per game to drop as he ages. I don't think he's a high enough volume shooter to keep cranking out the goals in high numbers if his shooting % falls or if his shots per game fall. Stamkos, as a model, isn't a league leading goal scorer anymore, but his percentage is still high. 3. he's already prone to miss games, which will likely only get worse as he ages. Stamkos is 85% games played and is considered injury prone. Matthews is 90% games played, at age 23. Stamkos was 99% through his first 5 season like Matthews currently is at. 4. he's going to Arizona soon

    Matthews getting 600 would be quite an accomplishment. Stamkos, who has the huge raw number years, will probably get to 600, but it could be tight, as he'll probably hit 600 sometime when he's 35+.
     
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    Pretty goal but not as pretty as this one.

     
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    Matthews is about 30 goals behind at the same age. 324 games and 219 goals for Ovechkin at the end of his 23 year old season. Matthews currently sits at 185 goals in 318 games.

    I'd say Matthew's chances of catchibg up on Ovechkin as time goes by is slim.

    So, no. I don't think they end up comparable scorers.
     
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    I'll wait until Matthews can win a Rocket in a full season playing more than 6 teams. And even if he does win this year he still has 8 more to go. Yup. OV is just that ridiculous. lol
     
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    Yeah close it up and open it again if Matthews wins his ninth Rocket.
     
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