Is it time to re-sign Nelson?

[ThreeLeftSkates]

With the way BN has played NY can get a solid return for him. I would send him to Carolina for defense.

CDH?

 

[periferal]

Your post is suggesting that Nelson has not been helped by the best coach in the NHL and is having another good start though. Time will tell if this is a phase or if this is the new Nelson though. I would hate to give up on him right when he learns how to play the right way though. I think coaching has a lot more to do with this than you are letting on.

It absolutely has to do with coaching, but coaching isn't everything. There are certain players that even with the best coaching don't produce in the playoffs and I think Nelson is one of those players.

That said, hopefully you agree that if the Isles do not want to resign Nelson (or he won't sign before July) that we MUST trade him before the trade deadline.

 

[Seph]

It absolutely has to do with coaching, but coaching isn't everything. There are certain players that even with the best coaching don't produce in the playoffs and I think Nelson is one of those players.

That said, hopefully you agree that if the Isles do not want to resign Nelson (or he won't sign before July) that we MUST trade him before the trade deadline.

In the playoffs his pts/game dropped by 2 points over the 18 games he's played, which is a reasonable dropoff and in line with most players given the tighter defense and lack of weak opponents to help pad your stats. He also was in his first 3 seasons of NHL experience. While I'm not all that gung ho on signing him right now, I also don't think his playoff production has been as bad as you seem to suggest here, and either way, signing him would hardly indicate we're building the team around him.

And if the deadline rolls around and we're still 2nd in the division, I'd rather not become sellers. Would much prefer keeping our team together and trying to do as much damage in the playoffs as we can. It's time to establish a winning culture and attract winners rather than giving up and going back to the losing culture that's permeated this franchise for so long.

 

[ScaredStreit]

I'd re-sign Brock ASAP if I were them. However I get the feeling he's gone regardless, so move him at the deadline if we must and get a decent return.

 

[Newsworthy]

We lost KO, CDH, Tavares, Vanek, Nielsen for nothing. When does this end?

 

[BelovedIsles]

We lost KO, CDH, Tavares, Vanek, Nielsen for nothing. When does this end?

To be fair, we got a few 2nds, 3rds, and Sebastien Collberg for Vanek.

 

[steveat]

and KO didn't prove he could do well without JT
CDH...I'm not gonna pay a guy that much (he was already offered enough) after his FOURTH shoulder injury.
I honestly think Nielsen is regretting going to Detroit...We would have had JT-Barzal-Nielsen-Zeeker down the middle last year...would have made a world of difference .

 

[NC 1972]

and KO didn't prove he could do well without JT
CDH...I'm not gonna pay a guy that much (he was already offered enough) after his FOURTH shoulder injury.
I honestly think Nielsen is regretting going to Detroit...We would have had JT-Barzal-Nielsen-Zeeker down the middle last year...would have made a world of difference .

But it has nothing to do with their performance after leaving, its about not getting any return on your investment.
Allowing assets to walk without so much as a bucket of pucks coming back is absolute negligence.

 

[Newsworthy]

and KO didn't prove he could do well without JT
CDH...I'm not gonna pay a guy that much (he was already offered enough) after his FOURTH shoulder injury.
I honestly think Nielsen is regretting going to Detroit...We would have had JT-Barzal-Nielsen-Zeeker down the middle last year...would have made a world of difference .

Exactly. These guys should have been traded at the deadline regardless. I'm talking compensation.
In addition we could still trade Eberle, Nelson, and whoever else and still sign them as free agents.

 

[buud]

Exactly. These guys should have been traded at the deadline regardless. I'm talking compensation.
In addition we could still trade Eberle, Nelson, and whoever else and still sign them as free agents.

ALL teams keep their UFA's when they are in a playoff drive. not defending Snow, but it's common practice.

also, there are other 'little' considerations, like, 'what does the player want to do?'. 'does the player have personal issues?' injury/insurance conditions also play a part.

some of you don't seem to understand that the GM is not a slave owner.

 

[doublechili]

I thought that you couldn't be more uninspired than Brock Nelson. Then I watched Kevin Shattenkirk last night. Woof.

Poppy is sloppy.

Shatty is ....

 

[doublechili]

Wait a bit to see if he continues playing well, and then see if you can sign him at the rate of a low end #2C/high end #3C. Because in the long run he's likely going to end up being a 3C or a LW by the end of his contract.

 

[YearlyLottery]

It absolutely has to do with coaching, but coaching isn't everything. There are certain players that even with the best coaching don't produce in the playoffs and I think Nelson is one of those players.

That said, hopefully you agree that if the Isles do not want to resign Nelson (or he won't sign before July) that we MUST trade him before the trade deadline.

I do not think it is some exact science on having to trade everyone who doesn't have a contract before the deadline, but Isles may get a 1st for Nelson so of course.

 

[Newsworthy]

ALL teams keep their UFA's when they are in a playoff drive. not defending Snow, but it's common practice.

also, there are other 'little' considerations, like, 'what does the player want to do?'. 'does the player have personal issues?' injury/insurance conditions also play a part.

some of you don't seem to understand that the GM is not a slave owner.

NYR did not last year. It will be interesting to see what they do this season. Probably more of the same. Some teams look at the future and not the present.

 

[Seph]

NYR did not last year. It will be interesting to see what they do this season. Probably more of the same. Some teams look at the future and not the present.

The Rangers were 13th in the East and 9 points out of a wild card spot when they traded Nash and McDonagh. I don't think that's what most people mean when they say a team is in a playoff drive.

 

[Newsworthy]

The Rangers were 13th in the East and 9 points out of a wild card spot when they traded Nash and McDonagh. I don't think that's what most people mean when they say a team is in a playoff drive.

9 points out is in the hunt enough to be buyers and not sellers especially for at least one player (McDonagh) not being an UFA. If the NY Isles are nine points out are we buyers or sellers?

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

If the NY Isles are nine points out are we buyers or sellers?

If you're 9 points out at the end of February, you're sellers.

 

[Seph]

9 points out is in the hunt enough to be buyers and not sellers especially for at least one player (McDonagh) not being an UFA. If the NY Isles are nine points out are we buyers or sellers?

9 points out with ~20 games left to play is in the hunt for a high draft pick, not for the playoffs.

 

[LeapOnOver]

9 points out is in the hunt enough to be buyers and not sellers especially for at least one player (McDonagh) not being an UFA. If the NY Isles are nine points out are we buyers or sellers?

No, it's absolutely not. No way is that considered in the hunt.

 

[periferal]

I do not think it is some exact science on having to trade everyone who doesn't have a contract before the deadline, but Isles may get a 1st for Nelson so of course.

If you get offered at least a 1st rounder for a UFA about to walk then that is the science.

 

[24diving]

I want to be the team acquiring the upcoming ufa at the deadline and trying to win. If we are in the playoffs, why are we going to give the teams we are going to be competing with one of OUR players for THEIR playoff run. Such a losing team mentality here. Sure, if playoffs are out of the picture, the team absolutely must unload upcoming ufa’s, but trading key pieces of the team prior to the playoffs for picks is ridiculous. Trading player for player is obviously different.

 

[Riseonfire]

I hope Trotz is passing Lou notss on who he likes.

I'll say this: I have never seen Brock use his body this much.

 

[Glory Days]

I want Duchene, yes. I'd take Panarin too, though not a center, he would allow us to acquire a less talented center who could be elevated by Panarin.

I don't see Duchene aging well. I am thinking Frans in a couple of years.

 

[dlawong]

Chemistry may be more important than the actual position a player plays. Did you guys knows that Burrows played his off wing when he played with the Sedins and he excelled despite not playing at at his normal position. I think when you decide on who to draft who to trade or who to resign etc. look at the chemistry factor more than the right/left shot factors. Pick the guys with the right skill sets, work ethics/drive, confidence and ability to learn and communicate. When the chemistry is not there, it is hard to execute the plays.

Just look at McDavid for example he is so talented yet the Oilers top line is not outscoring their opposition on nightly basis. I think that is because Oilers has not yet found someone with the perfect skills/IQ/drive to play with him at fast pace. The mental part of the game is actually the most important part of the game as a player can get hurt over his career and therefore not always able to keep up his skill sets (ie a bad leg injury can slow your speed, a bad hand injury can hurt your shooting and passing ability). Unless a player get a bad concussion or has off ice issues that take his focus away from the game, the IQ part should normally stay pretty much the same or even better over time.