Is Francouz better than Grubauer?
- Thread starter jimmysheva
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Wilson seems pretty douchey. I mean he signed a new contract and just decided to quit hockey 10 games into his contract.
hooverdam
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Mack put the entire team on a diet. If there’s anyone they all hate, it’s him.
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Mack put the entire team on a diet. If there’s anyone they all hate, it’s him.
You can only eat chicken and sweet potatoes!
SaltySkywalker
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Obviously I want both tendys performing at a high level, but given the circumstances, I'd prefer Grubs to be the one to take hold of the starting spot and stick around the team simply because of the the potential for opportunity lost with Frankie taking over. We NEED Grubs to be the better tender and although he's been average the last month and half, he seems to have picked it up going into the ASG break.
SirLoinOfCloth
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Shit. Did he last 10 games? I feel like he didn't even make it out of preseason.Wilson seems pretty *****ey. I mean he signed a new contract and just decided to quit hockey 10 games into his contract.
Rumplesnipeskin
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As a finance / numbers person, I am tempted think through your wins per $ spent... or basically, what is the better “bang for buck”. That said, with what we are paying for both, we should (a) be re-signing Frank, all day., and (b) keeping Grubauer, because he is more proven, and this is long run game. We lock up both, can always trade Gruby Tuesdays for a solid backup + prospects to a team that needs goaltending. Do we gamble in-season? Heck no. In the off-season, if we can make something happen, I’m all for jettisoning Grubauer for a goalie prospect +.
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I think Avs should give Franky a 3 year deal low AAV and move Grubi after his next hot streak or in the off-season / early start to next year. Try to get max value for him and trade him before he hits UFA trying to get his 4-5+ year deal. Right now it's most possible that people aren't aware of his streakiness so hopefully we move him before others catch on. Recover our 2nd or something.
If Francouz finishes the year with good numbers, low AAV is out the window as other teams will be after him as a UFA.
Cousin Eddie
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This is incorrect. He's been significantly above average as a backup and was above average last year. This year he's currently exactly at the league average. Frank has been good but hasn't proven to be able to play a starters role yet.
Cousin Eddie
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Neither has Grubauer.
I don’t understand why people keep arguing that Frank hasn’t proven enough to be a starter. I get that it’s true, but why do people neglect that Grubauer also hasn’t despite being put in that role for quite some time now.
Can Frank be a starter? Who knows. What we do know is that Grubauer can’t so why do we not give the other guy an opportunity. Worst case he’s bad like Grubauer and we need to look elsewhere. At least then we’ll know.
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You gotta put trust in the guy that single handedly got you into the playoffs last year and then played at a very high level in said playoffs. That also isn't me saying that Frank has also look like a sieve in 4 of his last 5 games. Just like Grubauer.
hooverdam
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It's going to be hilarious when Grubauer turns it on again and the posters here who have decided he's worthless have to eat shit. Just like last year.
People are just so damn reactive to goalies. Grubauer has a stretch of bad games: He sucks forever and should honestly retire. Francouz has a handful of good games: You're my boy. You're my number one boy.
People are just so damn reactive to goalies. Grubauer has a stretch of bad games: He sucks forever and should honestly retire. Francouz has a handful of good games: You're my boy. You're my number one boy.
Cousin Eddie
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A stretch of bad games? You think this is just a stretch of bad games by Grubauer? Grubauer has had more stretches of bad games than stretches of good games in an Avs uniform.
Nobody thinks Francouz is god. Everyone just realizes Grubauer certainly isn’t and it’s best to give the other guy a shot before we looks for help externally.
Cousin Eddie
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We’re obviously just on two different pages with Grubauer. I refuse to count on a goaltender who had one stretch of 15-20 good games in his entire body of work with this team and try to pretend that he’s capable of making that the regular.
Fans here do that all the time. They take the highs of players and pretend like that’s the player we’ll have all the time. Grubauer is a vezina caliber goalie, Zadorov is an elite shutdown defenseman and Jost is a playoff warrior. We’ll use those small sample sizes to convince ourselves we can expect it all the time when the truth points to those being the minor outliers as opposed to the norm.
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Grubauer is in every sense of the word is an average nhl goalie. But people here are treating him like he’s some AHL guy. It’s just ridiculous.
Cousin Eddie
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Yeah he probably is average. The numbers suggest slightly below average but still fair. He’s a negative GSAA. He’s an NHL’er no doubt. But you don’t win with that level of goaltending.
I’m not saying demote him to the AHL. I’m saying the Avs need someone better if they want to win championships.
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And if he posts a .925 in the playoffs again this year than I won’t care about his regular season performance as much.
larueskee
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Me thinks that the Avs are playing the hot contract instead of the hot goaltender. When Francouz is between the pipes the Avs are a amazing 12 wins and 4 losses. He is getting $ 925,000 for just this year and its the only year on his contract. Grubauer has a cap hit of $ 3,333,333 for this year and next year while getting a salary of $3,900,000 this year. He has a losing record this year of 14 wins and 15 losses. 12 and 4 versus 14 and 15. Amazing and it is staring everyone in the face.
hooverdam
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I really think his issues have been overblown. He’s not losing games for the Avs. He’s not making timely saves either, and I’m not going to lie and say he’s not struggling right now, but I’m not ready to run him out of town over it. Goalies go through this kind of thing. They are streaky and weird and just as I don’t trust when goalies get super hot and go on a crazy run, I also don’t condemn them when they go through rough patches. Usually, the true performance of the goalie lies somewhere between those types of runs.
I’m fine with Grubauer’s mean. I don’t think the Avs need goalies to steal games for them. He needs to be better than he has been, but not by as much as you’re suggesting.
cgf
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Unpossible, he's german. We have to turn our passports in if we're not arrogant at all times.
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