AuraSphere
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I guess it's semantics.. I don't think he'll be nominated for the Norris so I wouldn't say he is in contention for it. I totally agree he'll get some votes (like Klefbom did in 2016) but he won't finish ahead of Makar, Hedman and Fox (I'm guessing).That’s some weird logic. For one, he is in Norris contention.
And yes for many years the Oilers haven’t had a true #1. Some teams don’t have one. This year he excelled and proved he is one.
A #2 is someone like Brodie. Nurse is far above that level.
I'd argue that Tipp lost his mind in an elimination match and cut his bench down to 4 guys (including Russel who hadn't played much) and playing Nurse over 60 minutes was ridiculous. The team that won that game didn't need to do that. That isn't a testament to how good Nurse more than a painful reminder that Tipp does not do well in playoffs and that our D depth is weak.By what metric? If he is near the top in essentially every category for D, that would make him a #1. The guy played over 50 minutes in the elimination game. Considering he is in the Norris conversation, calling him anything less than a #1 this year is ridiculous.
But what about the fact that he was a top 10 defenseman this year? Are there less than 10 #1 defensemen?I would argue that despite being a top 30 dman, he's not a #1 dman. Not all teams have a number 1 d-man.
Because (checks current numbers) 49 people don't know the answer to this question but answered as if they did and got it wrong.is this really debatable? why is this poll even close
Soooo...you are using "superstar defenseman" and "number one defenseman" interchangeably?I agree he's top 30 in the league. I think he's got a top 10 argument but I didn't realize every team had a legit stud?
To me... number 1 D would be a Norris type contender. Makar, Hedman, Pietrangelo, healthy Heiskanan, Fox.
I'm not sure he's in the group and I'm a big fan.
Using this logic, does that mean there are 31 number 1 goalies in the NHL too?
So, to answer the question (which seems to have been changed)...
is he a legit 1? no, he's a fantastic 2 on a cup winner
is he top 31 in the league? absolutely. I'd argue top 10.
Maybe.. when I read 'legit 1' I thin there are about 8 of those guys in the NHL.Soooo...you are using "superstar defenseman" and "number one defenseman" interchangeably?
Maybe.. when I read 'legit 1' I thin there are about 8 of those guys in the NHL.
When I read top 30... that is different to me. I agree he was OUR 1D this year.
I think I gave lots of examples where Nurse wouldn't be a 1 today.
FTR.. I don't think Hronek is a tippy top 1 either but he led the team in scoring and minutes as well. But he's definitely in the top 30 just like Nurse. Nurse, Hronek, Makar and Hedman. Sure.. that all seems the same.
I guess I see a big gap between top 30 and being a top guy.
I'm a huge Nurse fan (and bigger Hronek ) fan for the record.
You are right... it's all semantics.My issue with this is that is like me saying that, as an example, Mark Scheifele or Elias Petersson are not number 1 centres because they aren't "top guys" like McDavid, Matthews, Draisaitl and Crosby. It's not true. A player can be a legitimate #1 defenseman without being an elite, top 5 defenseman. and to believe so doesn't mean that we automatically accept that every teams top defenseman is a legitimate #1 defenseman. Really, these definitions are all arbitrary, but I think guys like Makar and Hedman can be desribed as both superstars and #1 defensemen, but calling both Hedman and Nurse a #1 defenseman doesn't imply that they are the exact same caliber player.
A #2 D or a 2nd pairing guy?Things change quick, eh?
Oil fans were ready to dump the guy last year, maybe it was emotional overreaction after losing to the rebuilding Blackhawks in the play ins. I don't see it with Nurse. Good player but closer to a 2nd pairing guy than a #1 for me. Happy to be wrong....nothing agiainst the player/team
Based on the way he played this year, I’d love to hear someone explain to me why Darnell Nurse isn’t a top 30 defenseman
Amongst defensemen: 2nd goals, 1st in 5v5 goals, 12th in points, 2nd in 5v5 points, 5th in +/-, 4th in minutes per game, and solid defensive metrics despite having weak 2-way partners (Barrie and Bear) being stapled to his hip. All while bringing the intangibles like physicality, shot blocking, and a willingness to drop the gloves.
Nurse is a top 30 defenseman, and a #1Dman for sure. People who claim otherwise obviously didn’t watch Nurse this year, he has grown significantly in terms of hockey IQ and situational awareness.
Size, toughness, elite skating ability on top of everything else you mentioned.
He’s going to play a big role for Canada in 2022 at the Olympics.
I know this is just trolling but outside of Vegas our division is going to be weaker next year than it was this yearNo, Im not sure hes even a #2.
Ill wait to see if he replicates the covid season play during a real season in a real division