Is Corey Perry HOF worthy?

[HighLifeManIsHigh]

He was born in Canada. Cool. Don’t get it wrong. Canada is the best at hockey. But merely being on a stacked time by virtue of birthplace is enough?

That’s cool. Solid arguments. Go Canada!!!

I hate this argument, Perry was good enough to make those teams.

Numbers wise, no, Perry shouldn’t make the Hall. But if you look at everything he’s won, he’s a slam dunk.

 

[cowboy82nd]

lol people use the same gold medal arguments for Crosby. Can apply to Perry too.

If he wasn’t good they wouldn’t put him on the team with the greatest athletes from the sport.

Are we talking about the Hall of Fame or the Hall of good? Just because he was on Canada's team doesn't mean that he's a Hall of Fame player. Personally, I wouldn't vote him in, but he'll make it on name recognition and being a good ole Canadian boy.

 

[Steve Kournianos]

Absolutely not. Is this a joke? What a sham if he even sniffs getting in. There are 20 inactive players and 10 active with more goals who aren’t in and about 98 percent have better resumes.

Guy hasn’t hit 20 goals in eight years and in 19 seasons has exceeded 20 goals only eight times. Only two postseason AS selections and not a single Hart vote in 17 of 19 seasons, and he played for a contender for more than half his career.

 

[JianYang]

Are we talking about the Hall of Fame or the Hall of good? Just because he was on Canada's team doesn't mean that he's a Hall of Fame player. Personally, I wouldn't vote him in, but he'll make it on name recognition and being a good ole Canadian boy.

We are talking about the hall NHL hall of fame.

Often, these debates come down to what ought to be the standard versus what actually is the standard. I tend to form my opinion based on what it it actually takes.

Regardless, being an automatic selection on team Canada for best on best tournaments does mean something though. While things are changing now, it has been the most prestigious team with the biggest talent pool, and the most difficult roster to crack. It symbolizes that for a period of time, he was held in very high regard as a hockey player relative to his peers. That is easy to forget now because it's been a long time since he was at that level.

 

[waitin425]

Perry's resume is like no other. Based on personal and his team accomplishments, I think he gets in there.

 

[Machinehead]

Doesn't have 500 goals, doesn't have 1,000 points, one Cup, and one major award.

Excellent career but nothing about that resume says he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

 

[CokenoPepsi]

This debate is heating up l.

But based on the hall standards and who has gotten in already if you keep Perry out you have to keep the other Team Canada boys out (Toews, Tavares, Giroux, Getzlaf etc)

 

[Machinehead]

We are talking about the hall NHL hall of fame.

Often, these debates come down to what ought to be the standard versus what actually is the standard. I tend to form my opinion based on what it it actually takes.

Regardless, being an automatic selection on team Canada for best on best tournaments does mean something though. While things are changing now, it has been the most prestigious team with the biggest talent pool, and the most difficult roster to crack. It symbolizes that for a period of time, he was held in very high regard as a hockey player relative to his peers. That is easy to forget now because it's been a long time since he was at that level.

You figure 23 guys make it, a little less than half the league is Canadian, certainly was half in Perry's prime, so if you're on Team Canada, you're pretty comfortably a top 50 player in the world for a long time. I get that.

That being said, here are some other guys who were top 50 players in the league their entire primes:

Rick Nash
Dany Heatley
Brayden Point
Bill Guerin
Artemi Panarin
Jamie Benn
Keith Tkachuk

Who's a Hall of Famer here? I don't see Point making it. Maybe Panarin? Maybe Benn? I would be underwhelmed with Benn.

What you're describing (a consistent, shoo-in all-star) is not necessarily a Hall of Fame standard.

 

[HolyHagelin]

This debate is heating up l.

But based on the hall standards and who has gotten in already if you keep Perry out you have to keep the other Team Canada boys out (Toews, Tavares, Giroux, Getzlaf etc)

Your terms are acceptable

 

[CokenoPepsi]

Your terms are acceptable

Sure, but we all know those guys are getting in

 

[NVious]

It's a good question, honestly can go both ways, while he doesn't have some crazy resume, he does have a Hart/Rocket and he is a massive winner which is what he has going for him.

Sedins were better as players but didn't win anything and they got in, so yeah could go either way, he had a good peak, great longevity, won some major awards, won a cup, made a ton of runs, but obviously he's not some no brainer candidate either.

 

[heynowbababooey]

Doesn't have 500 goals, doesn't have 1,000 points, one Cup, and one major award.

Excellent career but nothing about that resume says he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

2 major awards.

 

[Goose]

Putting aside debates over what SHOULD be, I think he will eek in. He's one of the most borderline cases out there.

Selection committee has people like Bobby Mac, Pierre McGuire, Brian Burke, I think they push him across the line.

 

[Sentinel]

Last year I thought he was in all the way. After the Chicago scandal I am not sure anymore. I still think he will get in and he should.

With Lowe, Housley, and Zubov in there, I don't see how Perry won't be. Everybody wanted him on their roster when push comes to shove.

 

[snag]

Is there a POS category now?

Holy shit....it has been 2 years since I posted that?

Oh well....he is still a POS but he is now our POS.

 

[loadie]

Nope. Don’t see him getting into the Hall unless he pays for a ticket like the rest of us

 

[tyhee]

Ice hockey is a team sport.
Team achievement > individual achievement

Not to say that Perry doesn't have individual achievement (he won Hart and Rocket ffs).

To me, a player should be in the Hall if he was good enough, regardless of whether he had the good fortune to be on teams which won championships. When reading the original post I thought most of the accomplishments listed did pretty much nothing to advance Perry's case for the Hall, while his two first team NHL all-star accomplishments were serious omissions.

There are eras in which being a good enough Russian hockey player to make a national team would guarantee team success and eras in which being a good enough Canadian hockey player to make a national team would guarantee team success.

There are eras in which happening to be on the right NHL team would guarantee team success. Rick Chartraw was a pretty decent hockey player but nobody would consider nominating him, with his five Stanley Cups including four in a row with the Canadiens early in his career and one at the end of his career with the Oilers, for the Hall, but Adam Oates, Ed Giacomin and Harry Howell are members and everyone would agree that Marcel Dionne would have been a lock even if not eligible to play internationally for Canada.

 

[Machinehead]

2 major awards.

Yes.

 

[JianYang]

You figure 23 guys make it, a little less than half the league is Canadian, certainly was half in Perry's prime, so if you're on Team Canada, you're pretty comfortably a top 50 player in the world for a long time. I get that.

That being said, here are some other guys who were top 50 players in the league their entire primes:

Rick Nash
Dany Heatley
Brayden Point
Bill Guerin
Artemi Panarin
Jamie Benn
Keith Tkachuk

Who's a Hall of Famer here? I don't see Point making it. Maybe Panarin? Maybe Benn? I would be underwhelmed with Benn.

What you're describing (a consistent, shoo-in all-star) is not necessarily a Hall of Fame standard.

At his peak, I think Corey perry would be more than a top 50 guy, and that's why he was an automatic selection to team canada.

Regarding your last paragraph, I think this where things get muddy because some of us debate based on what the standard ought to be and others debate based on what the precedent is... so it becomes apples and oranges.

The point totals are pedestrian by hof standards, however the other items on his resume gives him the boost to put him over the top imo.

 

[BlueAzN]

Hell no. Actually, HAIL FOOKIN NAW.
JUST LOOK.

 

[Pukboy5kroner]

Yes, but no.

 

[Matty Sundin]

He’ll make it. People whine and cry and post on the internet why he shouldn’t but he’ll make it.

 

[chris kontos]

Hall of fame of pricks maybe

 

[ff8]

A lot of cope in here. Can’t wait for the necro-bump when he’s inducted. Until then you nerds can have fun arguing about why he won’t.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Only Scott Niedermayer has a better career in terms winning at all levels while being an elite player.