Speculation: Is Connor Brown the worst forward in our top 13?

[ACC1224]

100%.

That does seem likely.

 

[ottomaddox]

No, Marleau is worse.

Based on what? Are you just posting this to elicit an emotional response (trolling)?

 

[Nithoniniel]

he might be.

thing is, I think I blame babcock for brainwashing him into stopping even trying to create any offense out there, and just gudproing it up instead.

brown consistently tried to create with the puck when he was a rookie. we never see that anymore.

In his rookie season, he apparently had good passing stats across all categories. I remember him having very all-round numbers and high-end overall passing and danger passing totals. Those seem to have cratered since then.

Whatever happened, it seems like he doesn't provide a whole lot of value above replacement level in any role right now.

 

[Morgs]

Yup, easily the worst.

 

[Walshy7]

13? no
12? maybe but id still say no
10? yes easily our top 10 forwards (1st line, 2nd line, 3rd line then brown) easily the worst and our 4th line works without a $2.1M player so that all adds up to brown being moved.

$2.1M is too much for what he brings and our cap crunch. He will be moved maybe for a pick at the draft (a 2nd? or dare I say a late 1st?) or in a package for an upgrade somewhere else.

 

[Menzinger]

He’s better than the Goat.

He’s fine as a player, the problem is players like him are fantastic value at league minimum (or close to it), but that value starts to plummet the more money they earn.

2 million is just too much money when you can get a bargain bin free agent signing or up and coming youngster on an ELC to do the same thing

 

[ShaneFalco]

13? no
12? maybe but id still say no
10? yes easily our top 10 forwards (1st line, 2nd line, 3rd line then brown) easily the worst and our 4th line works without a $2.1M player so that all adds up to brown being moved.

$2.1M is too much for what he brings and our cap crunch. He will be moved maybe for a pick at the draft (a 2nd? or dare I say a late 1st?) or in a package for an upgrade somewhere else.

Better ask babcock first though or he may whine about not having the right players

 

[Dog]

He’s better than the Goat.

He’s fine as a player, the problem is players like him are fantastic value at league minimum (or close to it), but that value starts to plummet the more money they earn.

2 million is just too much money when you can get a bargain bin free agent signing or up and coming youngster on an ELC to do the same thing

Better? Does he win face-offs or play on 4th line all the time? The Goat is actually outperforming many forwards based on his icetime. Plus, Brown has played about double the icetime of Freddy along with 10 extra games. Yet he does not have double the points.. The goat is also a year younger and makes not even half of what Brown makes and has thrown almost 3x as many hits. I would be comfortable in trading Kadri to improve defense and moving the goat to the 3rd line next season if was up to me. Be more defensive based 3rd line with less points but shutdown line is needed after 2 lines of offense.

 

[socko]

The only possible area I could buy that we would miss him would be the PK. He's terrible even strength or PP. He gets my vote for worst.

 

[Beyonder91]

Good reliable player that works hard and well trusted by Babcock at both ends of the ice.

He kills penalties and gives his line further defensive awareness.

He is better than all the 4th line players at present, however he ends up as one of them when everyone is healthy.

I thought you said he was a better goal scorer than Marner?

 

[Walshy7]

Better ask babcock first though or he may whine about not having the right players

f*** babcock. If brown is a “right” player then an immediate review of his position should be underway

 

[Duke Silver]

Gauthier has better value and if he dropped the gloves he would be in top 10. Marleau meh his production dropped this season.

Value, perhaps. But in terms of on-ice impact, Gauthier's a clear last place.

 

[Guy Boucher]

Based on what? Are you just posting this to elicit an emotional response (trolling)?

On the basis that Brown is stronger and faster than Marleau and kills penalties.

Marleau only beats him at having a scoring touch, but unless someone else does all the work for Marleau, he's basically invisible (if not a significant drag on his linemates).

Marleau skates by peoples criticism due to his past accomplishments and reputations - and not his actual on-ice impact.

So yes, the 25 year old Brown is better than the corpse of Marleau.

 

[Dog]

Value, perhaps. But in terms of on-ice impact, Gauthier's a clear last place.

Value adds to the on ice impact. If had 6+ million extra that's possible star player or possibly maybe signing both Johnsson and Kapanen together next season is big value. Having more space to improve areas of concern is huge. Leadership adds sure but we have Tavares now..

 

[Mugzy97]

He’s better than Moore and Goat

 

[Duke Silver]

Value adds to the on ice impact. If had 6+ million extra that's possible star player or possibly maybe signing both Johnsson and Kapanen together next season is big value. Having more space to improve areas of concern is huge. Leadership adds sure but we have Tavares now..

The question was "is connor brown the worst forward in our top 13?"

It's a question about who's the worst hockey player. We're not talking about cap impact, etc.

 

[Dog]

The question was "is connor brown the worst forward in our top 13?"

It's a question about who's the worst hockey player. We're not talking about cap impact, etc.

Few factors have to consider but hard to say who is the worst. That will come down to opinion and preference.

 

[Buds17]

On the basis that Brown is stronger and faster than Marleau and kills penalties.

Marleau only beats him at having a scoring touch, but unless someone else does all the work for Marleau, he's basically invisible (if not a significant drag on his linemates).

Marleau skates by peoples criticism due to his past accomplishments and reputations - and not his actual on-ice impact.

So yes, the 25 year old Brown is better than the corpse of Marleau.

Brown vs Marleau is debatable. I'd say Marleau is better offensively and Brown defensively. Marleau averages more ice time, which can help or hinder different stats. Marleau might play with better players, but he'd also face better competition. Depends on what one values more in a player, and also maybe comparing each aspect of their respective game. (stronger vs stronger, lesser vs lesser, stronger vs lesser)

 

[ShaneFalco]

Marleau will come up huge in the playoffs I'm betting
He was our best player last year

 

[sxvnert]

1) Goat
2) Marleau
3) Brown

- Goat just wins faceoffs. His size is irrelevant because he plays like hes 5'8.
- Marleaus age has caught up to him and does next to nothing. Couldn't care less about his ironman streak.
- Brown kills penalties and little else. Easily replaced on the PK by Moore or anyone else.

 

[Walshy7]

He’s better than Moore and Goat

Now factor in their $800k salaries to his $2.1m. We are in a cap crunch, a 4th liner That’s better than some other 4th liners is negligible at best

 

[Guy Boucher]

This thread is rife with people severely underrating Trevor Moore. It reminds me of last season when people weren't sure if AJ was better than Komorov.

Moore is much better than Ennis/Gauthier/Brown/Marleau. You'll see.

 

[ShaneFalco]

This thread is rife with people severely underrating Trevor Moore. It reminds me of last season when people weren't sure if AJ was better than Komorov.

Moore is much better than Ennis/Gauthier/Brown/Marleau. You'll see.

And sitting out next game apparently ffs

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Not even close. In a full lineup, he's easily 9th or 10th. It becomes a tossup from 11-14.

 

[Erdinger]

And sitting out next game apparently ffs

Babcock is going to Babcock but if Brown is down to the 4th that is a kinda of progress