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[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

I just noticed, that you had posted US and German stats 1934. Sorry for spotting them late, but thank you very much!

All the best
Jukka

 

[svetovy poharu]

Hello Jukka,

I believe this is what I have so far for 1972 OG Sweden. Does this compare favourably to your stats?

1972 OG SWEDEN

C Bjorn Palmqvist (Djurgardens IF)...........................5 + 1 = 6 pts
RW Inge Hammarstrom (Brynas IF)...................6 gp, 4 +2 = 6 pts, 0 pim
C Hakan Wickberg (Brynas IF).................................3 + 3 = 6 pts
LW Tord Lundstrom (Brynas IF).......................6 gp, 3 + 2 = 5 pts, 2 pim
F Hans Lindberg (Brynas IF)....................................1 + 2 = 3 pts
LW Lars-Goran Nilsson (Brynas IF)............................2 + 0 = 2 pts
D Lars-Erik Sjoberg (Vastra Frolunda HC)..........6 gp, 1 + 1 = 2 pts, 2 pim
C Mats Ahlberg (Leksands IF)..................................1 + 1 = 2 pts
D Thommy Abrahamsson (Leksands IF)..............6 gp, 1 + 1 = 2 pts, 2 pim
D Thommie Bergman (Vastra Frolunda HC)..........5 gp, 1 + 1 = 2 pts, 10 pim
RW Stig-Goran Johansson (Sodertalje SK)..................0 + 2 = 2 pts
D Stig Ostling (Brynas IF)........................................1 + 0 = 1 pt
F Hakan Pettersson (Timra IK)..................................1 + 0 = 1 pt
C Mats Lindh (Vastra Frolunda HC)............................1 + 0 = 1 pt
D Bert-Ola Nordlander (AIK).....................................0 + 1 = 1 pt
D Kjell-Rune Milton (MoDo Hockey)............................0 + 0 = 0 pts
D Kenneth Ekman (Tingsryds AIF).............................0 + 0 = 0 pts
C Hans Hansson (Mora IK).......................................0 + 0 = 0 pts
GK Leif Holmqvist (AIK)...........................................0 + 0 = 0 pts
GK Christer Abrahamsson (Leksands IF).....................0 + 0 = 0 pts

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

I have just checked the scores of the stats. They match with exactly with mine, but unfortunately I have no info of the games played by a single player! So, now your stats are a bit better than mine.

I didn't notice you post about 1924 tournament, very sorry! I have noticed the same discrepancies too with Canada!

All right, we will probably meet again!

All the best
Jukka

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello again Svetovy Poharu!

I have one piece of information about the stats of Great Britain 1924:

According to my information Blane Sexton scored a hat trick against Belgium. I thought this might help you forward!

All the best
Jukka

 

[svetovy poharu]

Hello Jukka,

I am not finding many details on Great Britain's 1924 OG hockey games. Most of the coverage is centred on Canada and the United States hockey teams. In the Canada-Great Britain match, captain Colin Carruthers scored both GBR goals in the 19:2 defeat. And in the GBR 19:3 win over Belgium, captain A.G. Poplimont of Belgium scored all 3 of its goals.

I have contacted a British ice hockey expert but have not heard back from him. If I get a reply, I will post any information here for you.

Thanks again for your help, Jukka.

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

Thanks a lot anyway, this is one step forward with the GBR 1924 stats!

I found one more roster of the Swedish 1972 Olympic Team. According to that, they had a third goalie, called Christer Andersson (Tingsryds AIF).

All the best
Jukka

 

[svetovy poharu]

Hello Jukka,

Something that I have found rather interesting regarding the 1924 Olympic hockey tournament is that almost all of the 16 games played were officiated (refereed) by other team's players. For instance, Canadian player and captain Duncan Munro served as the referee for the 28 January game of Belgium-USA. And Canadian defenceman Beattie Ramsay was the referee for the 29 January game between France and Great Britain, and also was the referee for the 30 January USA-France match.

The Canadian team's manager William Hewitt served as a referee for the 28 January Sweden-Switzerland game, and for the 31 January Sweden-Czechoslovakia game.

This was not just limited to Canada. American star player Herb Drury was the referee for the 28 January Canada-Czechoslovakia match, and USA goaltender
Albert Lacroix officiated the 31 January Belgium-France game. Another American player, Francis Synnott, served as referee for the 29 January Canada-Sweden game.

Great Britain's player-coach George Elliott Clarkson was the referee for the 31 January Canada-Switzerland game.

France's captain A. de Rauch refereed the Great Britain-Sweden match, Belgium-Great Britain, and the Canada-Great Britain game. And French hockey official R. Lacroix handled the USA-Great Britain game.

IIHF president Paul Loicq of Belgium refereed the final match of 3 February between Canada and the United States, in addition to earlier in the tournament he officiated the SWE-USA and SWE-CZE games.

Can you image such a scenario happening (with other team's players serving as referees) in today's international hockey tournaments (World Championships or Olympics)? That would be very interesting indeed!

Some other facts concerning the 1924 Olympic hockey tournament, a total of 255 goals were scored in the 16 games, for an average of almost 16 goals per game, a level of goal-scoring output that has never been equalled. This also was the first international hockey competition played according to new rules that divided the game into three 20-minute periods. And the Olympic organizers were very concerned that pucks shot over the boards into the snowbanks might trigger an avalanche, that they built a huge screen behind the hockey rink located at the base of Mont Blanc.

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

Yes, that kind of refereeing would be very intersting today! According to some articles, that I have, it was the same thing in Antwerp 1920 too!

Most of the goalscoring was made by Canada (5 00 110-3), USA (4 0 1 71-6) and Great Britain (3 0 2 40-38). The last one, I think, was because of the British Canadians; five out of eleven GBR players were born in Canada. Well, we will see! No wonder, that the organizers were concerned. Based on the photos I have seen, they didn't have high boards even behind the goalie! So, in principal, they didn't obey the rules, even the contemporary ones!

All right, thanks a lot for extra information!

All the best
Jukka

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

I was just thinking: I know that much of the 1924 US team stats, that the best goalscorer was Herb Drury (22 goals) and the second best Clarence Abel (15 goals). But if you have found some extra information of their goalscoring, it's welcome!

All the best
Jukka

 

[svetovy poharu]

Hello Jukka,

I received a reply from the leading expert on British ice hockey history regarding the 1924 Great Britain player statistics. He said that he also would like to find those stats. He only has incomplete information and even that differs depending on various sources (much like the same problem we are encountering). He also mentioned that the Olympic authorities did not begin to compile or publish such statistics until the late 1950's. Plus assists were not officially recorded during the 1920 through 1936 Olympic hockey tournaments. The assists were usually given by newspaper reporters in their game story accounts for their respective papers.

Here are the goal scorers (73 goals) for the 1924 United States team:

C - Herbert J. Drury (Pittsburgh) 23 goals
LD - Clarence J. Abel (St. Paul) 15 goals
LW - Willard W. Rice (Boston) 13 goals
RD - captain Irving W. Small (Boston) 8 goals
RW - Justin J. McCarthy (Boston) 8 goals
W/C - Frank Synnott (Boston) 6 goals
sub - John J. Lyons (Boston) 0 goals

GK: Alphonse A. Lacroix (Boston) 5 gp (4-1-0), 225 mins., 6 ga (1.20 gaa) 4 shutouts
GK: John A. Langley (Boston) 1 gp, (0-0-0), 35 mins., 0 ga (0.00 gaa)

USA-BEL 19:0 (8:0, 5:0, 6:0)
USA: Drury (6), Rice (5), Synnott (3), McCarthy (3), Abel (2)

USA-FRA 22:0 (12:0, 1:0, 9:0)
USA: Drury (6), Abel (6), Small (5), Rice (3), McCarthy (1), Synnott (1)

USA-GBR 11:0 (6:0, 2:0, 3:0)
USA: Drury (4), Rice (2), Small (2), Abel (1), McCarthy (1), Synnott (1)

USA-SWE 20:0 (5:0, 7:0, 8:0)
USA: Drury (6), Abel (6), McCarthy (3), Rice (3), Small (1), Synnott (1)

CAN-USA 6:1 (2:1, 3:0, 1:0)
CAN: Watson (3), Smith (1), McCaffery (1), Munro (1)
USA: Drury (1)

This is what I have found up to this point. Hope this helps, Jukka.

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

All right, the stats for 1924 GBR have gone slightly forward anyway, so thanks a lot!

If anything new considering that and the 1935 and 1938 GBR stats occurs, I hope to know about it! As well as the 1953 West German and Swiss stats!

Especially thanks of the 1924 US stats!

All the best
Jukka

 

[svetovy poharu]

Hello Jukka,

Here's some additional statistics for your files from the 1924 Olympic games. I have located the player stats for the 4th and 5th place teams (Sweden and Czechoslovakia).

1924 Sweden OG: (5 gp, 21 goals)

F - Nils Molander....................5 gp - 7 goals
F - Erik Burman......................5 gp - 5 goals
F - Birger Homqvist (captain)....5 gp - 4 goals
D/F - Gustaf Johansson...........5 gp - 4 goals
D/F - Wilhelm Arwe.................5 gp - 1 goal
F - Ernst Karlberg...................5 gp - 0 goals
F - Helge Johansson................5 gp - 0 goals
D - Ruben Allinger...................5 gp - 0 goals

GK: Einar Olsson.........4 gp - 5 gd, 6.26 gaa
GK: Carl Josefsson......2 gp - 5 gd, 21.43 gaa

1924 Czechoslovakia OG: (3 gp, 14 goals)

F - Josef Malecek............6 goals
F - Vilem Loos................4 goals
F - Josef Sroubek............3 goals
F - Jaroslav Jirkovsky.......1 goal
D - Jaroslav Pusbauer.......0 goals
D - Jan Palous.................0 goals
D - Otakar Vindys............0 goals
F - Jan Fleischmann.........0 goals
F - Jan Krasl...................0 goals
F - Ludvik Hofta..............0 goals
F - Miloslav Fleischmann...0 goals
GK: Jaroslav Stransky.......0 goals
GK: Jaroslav Rezac...........0 goals

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

Thanks for extra stats! I have noticed, that the Czechs have excellent websites on goalscoring, but this stats gives an opportunity to compare my information.

I have been thinking, that I'd like to read even the incomplete information about 1924 GBR team. So, if you can pass that to me, thanks beforehand!

All the best
Jukka

 

[svetovy poharu]

Hello Jukka,

I never received the incomplete player stats, but I will ask him if he would mind sharing the information with us. I also will inquire about the 1935 and 1938 WC Great Britain goal scorers. If I hear anything, I will post it for you.

Jukka, by any chance do you have any stats or boxscores from the 1974 World Championships in Helsinki or the 1991 World Championships in Helsinki/Tampere/Turku? I am looking for Poland's player stats from the 1974 tournament or any boxscores involving Poland. Plus any player stats or boxscores involving Switzerland from the 1991 WC.

Many thanks again for your help.

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

No luck with Poland 1974 so far, but here are the Swiss stats of 1991:

G Christoph Wahl (Lugano) 3 0+0 90,7
G Reto Pavoni (Bern) 7 0+0 89,5

D Martin Rauch (Bern) 10 0+3 (8)
D Sandro Bertaggia (Lugano) 10 0+4 (18)
D Sven Leuenberger (Bern) 10 0+1 (16)
D Andreas Beutler (Bern) 10 0+0 (8)
D Didier Massy (Lugano) 3 0+0 (0)
D Rick Tschumi (Ambri-Piotta) 10 0+0 (6)
D Samuel Balmer (Fribourg) 10 1+0 (12)
D Doug Honegger (Sierre) 9 0+0 (8)

F Christian Weber (Zürich) 10 0+0 (0)
F Raymond Walder (Lugano) 0+1 (6)
F Patrick Howald (Bern) 10 3+0 (4)
F Roberto Triulzi (Bern) 10 3+0 (2)
F Tomas Vrabec (Bern) 10 2+3 (12)
F Andreas Ton (Lugano) 10 3+6 (2)
F Peter Jaks (Ambri-Piotta) 10 0+2 (4)
F Fredy Lüthi (Lugano) 10 10 2+2 (4)
F Gil Montandon (Bern) 10 3+3 (4)
F Jörg Eberle (Lugano) 10 3+3 (0)
F Andre Rötheli (Olten) 10 1+0 (2)
F Manuelo Celio (Kloten) 10 1+0 (4)

All right, I hope, this helps!

All the best
Jukka

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Sorry, Svetovy Poharu!

One more: Renato Tosio (Bern) was the third goalie with no games played.

All the best
Jukka

 

[svetovy poharu]

Hello Jukka,

Thanks for the Suisse stats. I am still trying to work out an information exchange deal with the British hockey writer for the 1924 incomplete list of Great Britain goal scorers. Only data he has given me so far is that Eric Carruthers scored 12 goals and Colin Carruthers totalled 4 goals.

I will post more details if I am able to receive any more information from him.

Thanks again for your help, Jukka.

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

This is already a great step forward! But if he shares more information with this 1924 team, I'll be glad to hear about it! As well as any more information of the 1935 and 1938 GBR stats!

So far my only information is, that Bob Wyman scored once against France 1935 and Gerry Davey scored the one goal of GBR in the final of 1938.

All right, I have added the goals of Eric and Colin Carruthers to the stats of my website, so thank you very much!

All the best
Jukka

 

[svetovy poharu]

Hello Jukka,

Here is what I have found so far about Great Britain's 1935 WC games.

19 January 1935 -- CAN 4:2 GBR (0:1, 2:0, 2:1)
1. Great Britain, Carl Erhardt
2. Canada, Norm Yellowlees (Romeo Rivers, Vic Lindquist)
3. Canada, Albert Lemay (Tony Lemay, Archie Creighton)
4. Great Britain, Gerry Davey
5. Canada, Norm Yellowlees (Vic Lindquist)
6. Canada, Tony Lemay (Archie Creighton)

22 January 1935 -- GBR 1:0 FRA (1:0, 0:0, 0:0)
1. Great Britain, Bob Wyman

23 January 1935 -- GBR 4:1 AUT (0:0, 2:1, 2:0)
1. Great Britain, Gordon Dailley
2. Great Britain, Gordon H. Johnson
3. Austria, Baron Hans von Trauttenberg
4. Great Britain, Gordon Dailley
5. Great Britain, Ernie J. Ramus

26 January 1935 -- CAN 6:0 GBR (2:0, 2:0, 2:0)
1. Canada, Anthony (Tony) Lemay
2. Canada, Norm Yellowlees
3. Canada, Albert Lemay
4. Canada, Archie Creighton
5. Canada, Norman Rivers
6. Canada, Albert Lemay

And here is what I know thus far about Great Britain's 1938 WC games:

11 February 1938 -- GBR 1:0 GER (1:0, 0:0, 0:0)
1. Great Britain, Jimmy Kelly

15 February 1938 -- GBR 1:1 USA
1. United States, Art Bogue
2. Great Britain, Gerry Davey

20 February 1938 -- CAN 3:1 GBR (3:1, 0:0, 0:0)
1. Canada, Reg Chipman (Johnny Godfrey)
2. Canada, Pat McReavy (unassisted)
3. Great Britain, Gerry Davey (Alex Archer)
4. Canada, Johnny Godfrey (unassisted)

Hope this helps. I will keep looking further into other archives to see if I can find other details regarding the 1935 and 1938 Great Britain games.

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

Thank you very much! These are steps forward, especially with GBR 1935!

All right, let me know, when you will find something new! And I will see, if I can help with any of your requests!

All the best
Jukka

 

[svetovy poharu]

Jukka, I have found 2 more Great Britain games from the 1938 world championships.

17 February 1938
Great Britain 3:2 Sweden (0:0, 1:1, 2:1)
Great Britain goals: Archie Stinchcombe, Alex Archer, Jimmy Kelly
Sweden goals: Stig Emanuel Andersson, Olle Andersson

18 February 1938
Great Britain 7:1 Poland (3:1, 4:0, 0:0)
Great Britain goals: Jimmy Kelly (4), Alex Archer, Gordon Dailley, Archie Stinchcombe
Poland goal: ????

That is all I have for now. I will keep searching other resources.

 

[svetovy poharu]

Hello Jukka,

And here's one more Great Britain game for your files from the 1938 WC. Now we're only missing the 12 February Great Britain 8:0 win over Norway, and the 14 February Great Britain 5:1 win over Latvia.

19 February 1938
Great Britain 1:0 Czechslovakia (0:0, 0:0, 1:0)
Great Britain goal: Archie Stinchcombe

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello Svetovy Poharu!

To put it as simple as possible: Great!

All the best
Jukka

 

[Tobias]

For those of you, who have an interest in international hockey, it might be a good idea to check out IHG's(International Hockey Gang's) message boards. Just follow this link and register. See you there!
http://www.internationalhockeygang.org/forum/index.php?/index.php?referrerid=248

 

[jukka ruskeeahde]

Hello The Dane!

I have been watching briefly the international hockey gang's message boards! Very good ones, indeed!


As you may have noticed, Svetovy Poharu has been very helpful with my inquest about old tournament boxscores! You may also have noticed, that I have been talking about my website. Unfortunately the presentations of the tournaments are in Finnish at the moment, but I'm working on English ones. But the stats are easy to understand, I think! If you are interested, you can find it by: http//kotisivu.dnainternet.net/ruskeeah/!

All right, thank you once again for the hockey gang message board information! I will be reading it more carefully within a few days!

All the best
Jukka