he made sure that bozak and a 2nd proposals could live onI don't where else to write this but Leafs give Nonis a five year extension after six months as GM? The heck?
Staz will not be moved, I'm certain and if Dater says he will be then he'll retire an Av.
Dater chat (take it for what its worth) revealed several tidbits:
1. In response to question about O'Reilly situation: "Avs were very mad at O'Reilly for doing what he did. He definitely could be traded at the deadline, and the Avs just go with Duchene-MacKinnon top two"... In response to another similar question: "They were upset with him over what he did. It's been an uneasy truce since, but when that one-year waiting period lapses, they may send him packing"
2. In response to a question asking the chances that Stastny doesn't resign with the Avs: "100 percent"
3. On Duchene's relationship with O'Reilly: "Kind of like acquaintances now, not bros"
4. "I think Mac may get another number than 22. Stay tuned"
Take it for what it's worth. Really, just a rehashing of something most of us understand. Namely, Stastny probably doesn't stick with us simply because of the logjam at the position. Not completely clear what O'Reilly's relationship is with current management, but I'm sure there are still some lingering effects felt (Sakic, FWIW, might be more understanding than most, but probably doesn't respect the holding out part). O'Reilly also will get us a better return in a trade.
Personally, I think Stastny is not on the team past the deadline and certainly not on the team one year from now. I'm pretty much 100% certain. I'd say 75% chance O'Reilly is gone too, but he could last longer simply because the Avs might wait to get the right deal for him.
Reasons O'Reilly might stay:
Can't get enough value in trade proposals
Switch to wing works and he's willing to stick with it long-term
He's willing to sign a below market value contract to play 3C
Reasons O'Reilly goes:
Only asset we have that, when combined with other assets, could get us 1D; at very least, will get 2D
His market value pushes him out of reasonable price range for a 3C
On MacKinnon, I still have a strong personal preference for him taking #10, regardless of his personal attachment to #22. But, it does sound like Hunwick might be less willing to give up #22 than I previously thought.
To pass the time in the off season, I've decided to punish myself and watch games from the past season. Right now I'm on the screwy Feb 18th game against Nashville. Here's the box score for that game:
3 R. O'BYRNE D 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 1 0 0 - 23:20
4 G. ZANON D 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 0 0 - 19:52
7 J. MITCHELL C 0 0 0 -1 2 0 0 2 0 1 50% 14:04
8 J. HEJDA D 0 1 1 1 2 2 4 4 1 1 - 21:03
9 M. DUCHENE C 1 2 3 2 0 2 6 1 0 2 63% 22:12
11 J. MCGINN L 1 0 1 0 0 8 2 2 0 0 - 20:00
12 C. KOBASEW R 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 - 9:07
15 P. PARENTEAU R 0 2 2 2 0 2 1 0 0 0 0% 17:28
17 A. PALUSHAJ R 1 2 3 1 0 2 2 2 0 0 - 14:49
22 M. HUNWICK D 0 0 0 0 4 1 0 3 2 0 - 17:40
23 M. HEJDUK R 0 0 0 -1 0 1 0 0 0 0 - 16:31
26 P. STASTNY C 1 1 2 0 0 4 0 1 1 1 55% 20:01
40 M. OLVER C 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 50% 5:15
41 T. BARRIE D 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 - 22:18
46 S. ELLIOTT D 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 - 12:55
54 D. JONES R 0 2 2 -1 0 2 0 0 0 1 50% 18:20
55 C. MCLEOD L 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 1 0 1 100% 12:25
58 P. BORDELEAU L 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 - 2:52
No wonder we were terrible. That line up is awful. Our lineup this year is already miles ahead (if we can stay healthy).
Dater chat (take it for what its worth) revealed several tidbits:
1. In response to question about O'Reilly situation: "Avs were very mad at O'Reilly for doing what he did. He definitely could be traded at the deadline, and the Avs just go with Duchene-MacKinnon top two"... In response to another similar question: "They were upset with him over what he did. It's been an uneasy truce since, but when that one-year waiting period lapses, they may send him packing"
2. In response to a question asking the chances that Stastny doesn't resign with the Avs: "100 percent"
3. On Duchene's relationship with O'Reilly: "Kind of like acquaintances now, not bros"
4. "I think Mac may get another number than 22. Stay tuned"
Take it for what it's worth. Really, just a rehashing of something most of us understand. Namely, Stastny probably doesn't stick with us simply because of the logjam at the position. Not completely clear what O'Reilly's relationship is with current management, but I'm sure there are still some lingering effects felt (Sakic, FWIW, might be more understanding than most, but probably doesn't respect the holding out part). O'Reilly also will get us a better return in a trade.
Personally, I think Stastny is not on the team past the deadline and certainly not on the team one year from now. I'm pretty much 100% certain. I'd say 75% chance O'Reilly is gone too, but he could last longer simply because the Avs might wait to get the right deal for him.
Reasons O'Reilly might stay:
Can't get enough value in trade proposals
Switch to wing works and he's willing to stick with it long-term
He's willing to sign a below market value contract to play 3C
Reasons O'Reilly goes:
Only asset we have that, when combined with other assets, could get us 1D; at very least, will get 2D
His market value pushes him out of reasonable price range for a 3C
On MacKinnon, I still have a strong personal preference for him taking #10, regardless of his personal attachment to #22. But, it does sound like Hunwick might be less willing to give up #22 than I previously thought.
This is what I hope as well, for the Avs to have clarity in the direction to take with both of these players. While Dater may know next to nothing in the situation I find the answer as something to consider in the direction these things are leaning. The ROR answer seems to be more rooted in the past, who knows what the feelings are now. With Stastny I can't imagine he is *more* inclined to take a cheap deal/lesser role after watching one center get drafted first overall and the other getting a 5 year extension within in the last month. It is always about what do the Avs want to do with him and no consideration to his own freedom of choice in the situation.I just hope that Sakic, Roy and Co. have had conversations with ROR and Staz just to feel out whether they're interested in re-signing. I would just hate to lose Staz for nothing.
Why #10 for MacKinnon?On MacKinnon, I still have a strong personal preference for him taking #10
I was at that game, it was actually one of the better ones from what I recall.Right now I'm on the screwy Feb 18th game against Nashville
Just so I got this straight, you guys believe that Avs management will be just fine trading away BOTH RoR AND Stastny and going with 22 year old Duchene and (currently) 17 year old MacKinnon as their 1-2 punch?
A bit of a gamble don't you think? Especially if Duchene should get injured.
What's more likely is the Avs will keep one or the other and perhaps they are trying to re-sign both right now but one thing is for sure, if Stastny is set to walk, I can't imagine the Avs NOT getting anything for him and if that's going to happen, I believe they'll keep RoR around for another couple of years.
And guys, PLEASE as has been proven countless times, over and over and over again, Adrian Dater has absolutely ZERO inside sources* to what the Avalanche are planning to do. He has an opinion, one that is more wrong than right and I'm pretty sure that the Avs see him for what he is, a bit of a buffoon who makes a living (somehow) writing about hockey but just doesn't really have the passion or the in-depth knowledge or the professionalism to be taken seriously.
(* how about those "I think the Roy as head coach ship has sailed..." comments? great insight)
Have you guys ever even tried to listen to one of those horrendous podcasts he puts out there? They are basically unlistenable. He surrounds himself with a bunch of posers who don't seem to know much about the game ("uh, what's that guy's name from Montreal -- Galch-innuk?" ) and they are always held in some club or restaurant with waitresses interupting on tape, I guess because the audio just isn't lousy enough. It's unprofessional and it's pathetic.
This might be deemed 'too mean' but in my opinion, it had to be said and it's well deserved. I'm not saying anything that isn't true. There isn't one other credible NHL media person that does this sort of ridiculous sideshow and gets away with it. There is a reason why certain NHL/Sports Media outlets call on Peter McNab and Marc Moser to get a feel for what is going on with the Avs and it has everything to do with what I just outlined above.
If we lose both Stastny and O'Reilly, it will be devastating.
I think we should pursue Franson. Certainly not a fix for our #1, but I'd say he'd be the #3 on our team immediately.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!! Rumors are that he wants $4m+, way too much for a pure offensive defensemen that is a #4 at best and a bottom pairing guy on a good team.
It is hilarious that our leader in TOI was later traded for a 4th round pick.