Yeah, they've pulled a Brett Clark several times now. Guenin, Holden, and Brad Stuart are all Brett Clark-esque IMHO. Wilson too. None of those contracts are back-breakers but Clark's wasn't either.
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Yeah, they've pulled a Brett Clark several times now. Guenin, Holden, and Brad Stuart are all Brett Clark-esque IMHO. Wilson too. None of those contracts are back-breakers but Clark's wasn't either.
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From what I remember there was a period when every Avs defender was being overpaid at around 4 million. Clark, Skrastins, Hannan, etc... Now all our D are below that figure and probably better than Clark and Skrastins. So basically imo Avs are avoiding overpaying significantly for D. Holden at $1.5 million or even Stuart at 3.25 is not the same as Brett Clark at $4 million.
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Would something around Gardiner for ROR be possible? Leafs would add, but not a significant asset IMO.
agentblack
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Damn i hate trade proposals, everyone just assumes you dont know a damn thing.
I look at trades this way if its something you would hate to lose like really hate it, then thats what we want.
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tigervixxxen
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I don't expect a top name for O'Reilly anymore, not at this point. But it's not going to be the garbage that other teams keep trying to peddle in every trade proposal. We do it too.
Probably similar close to UFA established NHL player or close to NHL ready prospect.
Probably similar close to UFA established NHL player or close to NHL ready prospect.
I won't be surprised if ROR doesn't get traded and I don't think he will, nor do I want him traded.
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Something like Gardiner+ sounds reasonable. It was different when he had RFA status at the end of his deal. Everyone knows he is nearly impossible to sign and will bolt to FA no matter what. We are not in a good spot unfortunately. It's gonna suck getting so little for Stastny and O'Reilly combined.
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Gardiner isn't very good. I'd rather hang on to O'Reilly for two years and let him walk than have five years of Gardiner. Gardiner is basically Leddy. Great skater, weak defensively and soft. Decent, but not great offensively.
If Avs fans have problems with how Barrie plays, they'd hate Gardiner. Barrie at least have great offensive instincts to compensate for him being below average in the defensive zone.
If Avs fans have problems with how Barrie plays, they'd hate Gardiner. Barrie at least have great offensive instincts to compensate for him being below average in the defensive zone.
cgf
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If ROR does end up walking Roy will just sign Radulov like he got iginla to replace Staz. Party's on top of this.
Just as expectations were put in check regarding Downie's value, so too will be the ROR expectations.
While there are some ridiculous lowball offers in that main thread, there are also some seriously high expectations as well.
I do enjoy reading through there though and am often most entertained at how adamant people get about how they "know" what their teams will and will not be willing to part with.
While there are some ridiculous lowball offers in that main thread, there are also some seriously high expectations as well.
I do enjoy reading through there though and am often most entertained at how adamant people get about how they "know" what their teams will and will not be willing to part with.
I think once he has a coach who isn't actively working against him (and Rielly) you'll see his true worth. I imagine Tyson Barrie would land in Carlyle's doghouse in no time, Roy at least knows what he can and can't do and puts him in a position to succeed. I don't think Carlyle's system does anything at all to compensate for d-men who want to join the rush.
I don't think Gardiner's getting traded anyhow. He'd have been dealt before any extension was signed. IMO the extension merely means he'll outlast Carlyle, which would've been shocking to me a year ago, not so much now.
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I know Nashville is in the same division but they make a good trade partner. Loaded with defense and need a top center.
To Colorado
Seth Jones or Roman Josi
Richard Clune
To Nashville
Ryan Oreilly
Ryan Wilson
3rd round pick
To Colorado
Seth Jones or Roman Josi
Richard Clune
To Nashville
Ryan Oreilly
Ryan Wilson
3rd round pick
tigervixxxen
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agentblack
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NSH is probably more willing to trade Colin Wilson
But yeah too bad its within the division...
now if you can convince a third party (pref. an eastern team) to do a threeway...
you get ______ from NSH plus your _____
then you ROR
InjuredChoker
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yeah. if they traded josi their LD would be
ekholm
bartley
volchenkov
LOL. worse than ours.
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Nope.
Decent 2nd pairing defenseman, and perhaps an added mid-level prospect at wing.
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InjuredChoker
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i'm usually pretty conservative on trade returns but i think we can get more than that.
but i'd have thought so about our 4 previous trades..
Reasonable my ass. Dude has been getting scratched and when he does play he gets ripped apart for how he does.
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Like what?
I tend towards the conservative on trade returns also, particularly when compared to other proposals by our crew in here. But then again, I think I don't believe I have a propensity to grossly overrate our players and/or prospects either.
I believe the Avs are in a tough position with O'Reilly in terms of a trade. Yes, he has value, but every month that goes by as he gets closer to UFA status, his trade value decreases. And given the he's almost certainly going to test the UFA market as soon as he possibly can, his trade value decreases. And given he's scored but 1 even strength goal in 15 games this season and has generally not played all that well so far this season, his trade value decreases. (I'll be nice and skip any reference to the Selke-caliber defense).
In short, right here and right now, Ryan O'Reilly's trade value has never been lower.
The other thing that makes this tough for Colorado, is that 1st/2nd pairing puck-moving defensemen (which is what the Avs desperately need the most) are probably the most valuable commodity in the NHL right now. Most certainly more so than a scoring wing who plays solid defense. So even leaving names aside for a moment, teams trading for XXX defenseman are going to likely have to give up more than YYY forward. In other words, a 1st pairing wing will *not* get you a 1st pairing defenseman. It just won't happen anymore. Two, three years ago, maybe. Now? I very much doubt it. IMO.
So, the Avs are in a tough position. They clearly don't want to sell low, which is what they'd be doing by moving O'R now, due to his play so far this season. But if they wait until next Summer, any possible trade partner would have one less year of O'R under contract, hence his trade value will be less then as well. And since they really need to trade for the most valuable commodity in hockey, they're almost certainly going to take a "less" return in the first place.
Tough position indeed.
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I'm not for a moment advocating Gardiner. I've seen him play a few times, and my impressions are that while his skating is surely top-shelf, the rest of his game is….. meh. Not awful overall, but nothing special. Perhaps I've missed his turd games. But then again, he's never really played on a good team, so who knows?
But, my best expectations for a return for O'R are a decent 2nd pairing defenseman and a decent forward prospect. If Gardiner is not a decent 2nd pairing defenseman, fine. Let's go find another one. But I don't see a way that we're going to get a player with 1st pairing skill or pedigree. Just don't see it.
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