Just can't see the Avs trading ROB. He's been the perfect example of a team player and goes about his business quietly. Sure he's had some major goofs this year and is a UFA but you would think they would prefer to keep him around for the 6th/7th D role especially if they are in the thick of things. Think trading ROB may effect the lockerroom more than we realize. Now Hunwick, Zanon and maybe SOB are another thing.
Speculation: In-season Proposals, Rumors, Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics here) XXXII
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Keep SOB, trade Hunwick, Zanon, ROB.
I don't care what ROB brings to the locker room. It's not worth his on ice performance. Maybe if we had actualy top 4 defenseman and he was playing 10 minutes a night, but hes not.
O'Byrne contract-wise would be the easiest to move. He's UFA after this. Any other guys are bigger investments. Invariably the return on an O'Byrne rental when he's currently playing his worst hockey for the Avs (not to mention the image of his swollen knee on Twitter) won't be much.
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I'd replace ROB with SOB on that list. I mean...if he's clearly in the doghouse, just get rid of him. His deal is movable.
Hunwick is #1 on my list because...well, I don't have a practical reason, I'm just sick of the guy and Sacco's love affair with him. I realize that's not a good reason, just me being arbitrary.
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On another note... I don't care what anyone says, Zannon needs to go for anything anyone is willing to give up. ROB, I don't even know what to say about him, wtf? He was so solid last year for what he was. Now hes just horrible, get rid of him. Who plays like **** in a contract year?
And I personally don't think SOB has been bad, hes been what he is... He came in a little off conditioning wise but I love how he drags the puck out of the D zone like a dump truck dragging a boulder, slow as **** but impossible to stop, hey whatever works... At least hes entertaining and effective at what he does when kept to his role. When he drags it all the way into the O-zone, that could actually be used by the team if we had a coach worth a damn. All he needs to do is dump it into the corner (For a fore-checking forward) or move it off to someone open once he crosses the line. It's called coaching, but everyone still seems so surprised when he does it nothing happens, even when he does dump it into the corner. I mean it's not like he just turns it over normally, or if he does it's usually in the O-zone by that time.
O'Brien is +3 with 19 hits 1A 16:15 AVG TOI and 10 BLKs in 8 games... Hes effective for what he is.
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El_Loco_Avs
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Here's all free agent d-men this off-season
I don't see too many exciting options in there.
Maybe Smid?
UncleRisto
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hmmp.. Yeah he's good, but he's going to want 4 year contract and at the age of 35.. It's gonna be risky.
Yeah but I'd be fine with him as long as his contract wasn't ridiculous. 4M AAV? Hes been a 70+ game player for the last 6 years running and hes only been in the league for 6 1/2 years. He does not have 10-15 years of NHL wear on him.
Parenteau can be our emissary on that one, and EJ might do well to have a veteran next to him. Honestly at this point I'd rather keep all three of our centers and sign someone like Streit, then let Siemens work his way up to our top pairing over the next two years.
Yeah I missed that one, it's 6:30AM here, but other than that hes been healthy and productive along with producing the year directly after. Honestly I'd be fine with Streit, Visnovsky, Hainsey, or Smid. (Would love to see Smid & Streit signed, with ROB, Zannon, and Hunwick gone.)
Streit - EJ
Smid - Barrie
Hejda - Wilson/SOB
Siemesn & Elliott getting time as our top pair in LE.
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Streit/Visnovsky/Smid/White are all interesting pieces to go after IMO. All decent Top 4 pickups.
I also think if we finish anywhere close to Bottom 3 this season(unlikely now) we have to draft Jones at this point. And if we finish in the 8-14 range, Nurse and Ristolainen are the guys we should target.
Or, we can trade Stastny for the Defensive help and draft a forward.
I am still behind Sekera+ for Stastny if he have to move him.
I also think if we finish anywhere close to Bottom 3 this season(unlikely now) we have to draft Jones at this point. And if we finish in the 8-14 range, Nurse and Ristolainen are the guys we should target.
Or, we can trade Stastny for the Defensive help and draft a forward.
I am still behind Sekera+ for Stastny if he have to move him.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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I would target Smid first, and Streit second. I think a Smid/EJ pairing would be absolutely dominant defensively, and I think playing with someone competent would allow EJ to actually rush more often.
Cousin Eddie
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We have so many centres and awful D. I really think we will see a lot of trades between now and October. I really wish we could package a few guys to get some good proven but still young NHL'ers. Some examples
Ship Stastny for Phaneuf
Ship Jones+elliott+hunwick for Purcell
Ship ROB+ Olver for Colin Greening
Landeskog Duchene Parenteau
Mcginn O'Reilly Purcell
Greening Sgarbossa Downie
Mcleod Mitchell Kobasew
Phaneuf Johnson
Wilson Barrie
Siemens Hejda
Varly
That's a very solid roster for 2013-2014.
Obviously this wont happen, but these are just the types of moves id like to see. Nobody wants to see Elliott go anywhere but sometimes you have to move key young guys to make your team better. You cant forever wait on the future. I also see the possibility of Sgarbo moving somewhere.
Ship Stastny for Phaneuf
Ship Jones+elliott+hunwick for Purcell
Ship ROB+ Olver for Colin Greening
Landeskog Duchene Parenteau
Mcginn O'Reilly Purcell
Greening Sgarbossa Downie
Mcleod Mitchell Kobasew
Phaneuf Johnson
Wilson Barrie
Siemens Hejda
Varly
That's a very solid roster for 2013-2014.
Obviously this wont happen, but these are just the types of moves id like to see. Nobody wants to see Elliott go anywhere but sometimes you have to move key young guys to make your team better. You cant forever wait on the future. I also see the possibility of Sgarbo moving somewhere.
How about this based on my last post, (2013-2014 Obviously)
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Jamie McGinn ($1.750m) / Matt Duchene ($3.500m) / P-A Parenteau ($4.000m)
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / Nathan Horton ($5.000m)
Steve Downie ($2.650m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($5.000m) / David Jones ($4.000m)
Cody McLeod ($1.150m) / John Mitchell ($1.100m) / Chuck Kobasew ($1.150m)
Mark Olver ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($4.100m) / Erik Johnson ($3.750m)
Ladislav Smid ($3.500m) / Tyson Barrie ($0.900m)
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Ryan Wilson ($2.250m)
Matt Hunwick ($1.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Greg Zanon ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,068,313; BONUSES: $2,710,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,941,667
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CALCULATOR LOG
* Stefan Elliott demoted.
* Traded Shane O'Brien
* Traded Ryan O'Byrne
* Greg Zanon bought out. (Compliance)
* Nathan Horton signed as free agent for $5,000,000.
* Ladislav Smid signed as free agent for $3,500,000.
* Mark Streit signed as free agent for $4,100,000.
* Chuck Kobasew signed as free agent for $1,150,000.
Siemens & Elliott in the AHL developing together. They both work as call ups for different types of defenders if injuries hit as well. Jones can be traded in a couple years and hopefully replaced by a rookie, so we can give raises where they are do. Hejda will also be gone 'within' a couple of years and replaced by Siemens.
Draft the best possible LH offensive defender we can at our draft position and hope hes ready to replace Streit in 3-4 years.
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Jamie McGinn ($1.750m) / Matt Duchene ($3.500m) / P-A Parenteau ($4.000m)
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / Nathan Horton ($5.000m)
Steve Downie ($2.650m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($5.000m) / David Jones ($4.000m)
Cody McLeod ($1.150m) / John Mitchell ($1.100m) / Chuck Kobasew ($1.150m)
Mark Olver ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($4.100m) / Erik Johnson ($3.750m)
Ladislav Smid ($3.500m) / Tyson Barrie ($0.900m)
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Ryan Wilson ($2.250m)
Matt Hunwick ($1.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Greg Zanon ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,068,313; BONUSES: $2,710,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,941,667
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CALCULATOR LOG
* Stefan Elliott demoted.
* Traded Shane O'Brien
* Traded Ryan O'Byrne
* Greg Zanon bought out. (Compliance)
* Nathan Horton signed as free agent for $5,000,000.
* Ladislav Smid signed as free agent for $3,500,000.
* Mark Streit signed as free agent for $4,100,000.
* Chuck Kobasew signed as free agent for $1,150,000.
Siemens & Elliott in the AHL developing together. They both work as call ups for different types of defenders if injuries hit as well. Jones can be traded in a couple years and hopefully replaced by a rookie, so we can give raises where they are do. Hejda will also be gone 'within' a couple of years and replaced by Siemens.
Draft the best possible LH offensive defender we can at our draft position and hope hes ready to replace Streit in 3-4 years.
I don't think we need two. Hejda and Barrie are starting to look very much like a Top 4 pairing, then EJ makes up half of another. We need 1 more Top 4 Dman to play with EJ(That guy could actually be Wilson for now).
And we would probably only need that Dman for a couple of years. Siemens and Elliott could both very well be top 4 guys in a couple years too. And our 1st in this draft is yet to be seen.
One of Smid/Streit is all we need IMO.
XXX - EJ
Hejda - Barrie
Obrien - Hunwick
That's a decent Defense with guys playing where they should.
RockLobster
King in the North
I don't think we're going to be signing Horton for 5m...if that were why wouldn't Boston just sign him for that?
I actually think that Siemens is going to come in in the offseason and impress the team. I think he'll make the team out of camp, and we could be looking at
Partner/Wilson-EJ
Hejda-Barrie
ROB/SOB/Zanon-Siemens
At this point, I'd prefer SOB in that bottom pairing slot, he's flat out played better than ROB and Zanon.
And if we GET that Partner for EJ, whether through trade or FA then we could be rolling
Partner-EJ
Hejda-Barrie
Wilson-Siemens
Not that I think Wilson deserves to be on the bottom pairing, but at this point I find it hard to want to break up the Hejda-Barrie pairing, they seem to have something nice working right now.
I actually think that Siemens is going to come in in the offseason and impress the team. I think he'll make the team out of camp, and we could be looking at
Partner/Wilson-EJ
Hejda-Barrie
ROB/SOB/Zanon-Siemens
At this point, I'd prefer SOB in that bottom pairing slot, he's flat out played better than ROB and Zanon.
And if we GET that Partner for EJ, whether through trade or FA then we could be rolling
Partner-EJ
Hejda-Barrie
Wilson-Siemens
Not that I think Wilson deserves to be on the bottom pairing, but at this point I find it hard to want to break up the Hejda-Barrie pairing, they seem to have something nice working right now.
I think we need to have three solid pairings that can play 18-20 minutes a night. I just don't see us completing a top pairing that can play 25 minutes a night within the next two years. We need a better all around defense like NJ. I'm also not sold on EJ turning into a 40 point defender for sure either, I'm willing to accept him as a 30 point guy with top pairing defensive ability.
Honestly even at 5M they are going to have a hard time keeping him, I've seen Boston fans break it down before. None of them expect to keep him beyond this season. Most of them think he will want between 5-5.5M from what I have seen as well.
The thing is, EJ's partner isn't going to be some young stud offensive defender. Streit & Smid gives us some options...
Smid - EJ
Streit - Wilson
Hejda - Barrie
If EJ does not produce offensively with Smid?
Streit - EJ
Smid - Barrie
Hejda - Wilson
O'Brien & Hunwick are interchangeable as our 7th D... 2M vs 1.6M
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henchman21
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Now that ROR is back in the fold, the easy solution to the defense is to trade Stastny for a top 4 + prospect pick. Keeps us from overpaying a UFA for that spot and it keeps our top 6 centers with top 6 wingers. With the contract that ROR has, he now has to produce and the Avs have to give him the chance to do it.
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