More than tied for the most ESP on the backend? I thought you said he struggled last year?
If you had to choose, who would you want? Gardiner or Myers?
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I didn't say he struggled. I'm saying he's a terrible player when it coimes to an overall game. Terrible hockey IQ.
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Nithoniniel
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Really?
And no, terrible players don't get that kind of stats no matter how their QoC looks. What is Rielly then, considering he did worse? As for Gardiners production, he had the 45th best production for his position despite not playing on the 1PP for a majority of the season.
19. And quite simply a much smarter hockey player with a style that will allow him to be stronger on the puck and an overall much better player by the time he's Gardiners age.
For our team, definitely Myers. I like Gardiner a lot, but he plays a very similar role to Rielly (left handed, great skating offensive dman), but with less talent. You would never put the two on the same pairing. He's also a bit too similar to Phaneuf - better skater, smaller/less physical, but still a lefty offensive catalyst type dman. Ideally, none of Phaneuf, Gardiner and Rielly are on the same pairing. Then you look at our top two defensive prospects, Finn and Percy, and they're ALSO lefties who are more offensive than defensive, and none of Phaneuf/Rielly/Gardiner/Finn/Percy seem like particularly strong potential d parterns.
Myers has been struggling a lot, but he's a 6'8", right handed dman with massive upside. I'd say his potential is higher than Gardiner's for any team, and he's a better fit for our roster, trading Gards for Myers straight up would be a no-brainer.
Myers has been struggling a lot, but he's a 6'8", right handed dman with massive upside. I'd say his potential is higher than Gardiner's for any team, and he's a better fit for our roster, trading Gards for Myers straight up would be a no-brainer.
Nithoniniel
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Youth doesn't make a player better. You said Gardiner is terrible, but Rielly did much worse this season so he must be beyond terrible right now. You are damn right Rielly will get better, but the discussion was about here and now. Both of them are young with potential and can get better.
You are basically saying that since Gardiner isn't absolutely ripping up the NHL in every area with his easy minutes, he is a terrible player. With that kind of judgement, most of the D-men in NHL could be said to be absolutely terrible.
Jake Gardiner put up 0.38 points per game, while Myers put up 0.35.
Myers did it with the toughest QoC, while Gardiner did it with the easiest.
That's probably why Myers is -26 and Gardiner is -4. Flip teams and positions, and Gardiner probably puts up less production and gets Myers's -26, while it's tough to think that Myers wouldn't get as many points with Gardiner's +/-.
By the way, both Gardiner (2:17) and Myers (2:29) got nearly identical PP time this year.
Myers is the better defenceman today. He's had more responsibilities, he's played on much ****tier teams, he's put up similar production, and he would easily repeat his rookie season if he was once again sheltered in the same way the Jake Gardiner is right now.
They're both great young defencemen with huge potential. Myers could be something special if he put it all together and got a little meaner. Gardiner looks like Scotty Niedermayer out there at times.
I'd love to have both.
Myers did it with the toughest QoC, while Gardiner did it with the easiest.
That's probably why Myers is -26 and Gardiner is -4. Flip teams and positions, and Gardiner probably puts up less production and gets Myers's -26, while it's tough to think that Myers wouldn't get as many points with Gardiner's +/-.
By the way, both Gardiner (2:17) and Myers (2:29) got nearly identical PP time this year.
Myers is the better defenceman today. He's had more responsibilities, he's played on much ****tier teams, he's put up similar production, and he would easily repeat his rookie season if he was once again sheltered in the same way the Jake Gardiner is right now.
They're both great young defencemen with huge potential. Myers could be something special if he put it all together and got a little meaner. Gardiner looks like Scotty Niedermayer out there at times.
I'd love to have both.
Class is in session. Gardiner is a solid defensemen who is good at getting the puck out, and can produce points. Plus can skate like the wind. Skating is so important in todays NHL. Gardiner is the better player at a cheaper price.
Gardiner is 4 years Rielly's senior and hasn't shown any signs of improving his play without the puck or with the puck for that matter. Rielly simply makes better plays and smarter decisions than Gardiner.
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Please show me where I said I watched Nylander play several times.
I never have said that and you need to stop posting BS!
diceman934
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Name me one player you haven't said you've watched very closely in any league anywhere in the world.
Maybe if you paid attention you would understand where I watched Myers play....but you are too busy putting you foot in your mouth.....
Myers did not have the highest QOC on Buffalo.....you post BS.
They're both offensive d-men. Myers has a better slapshot but Gardiner is the better skater. Myers is worse than Gardiner defensively from my viewings though. Because of his size he is awful in tight spaces, players just pick pucks out from around his legs and his defensive IQ is similiarly bad as Gardiner's.
diceman934
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Yes please go dig it up....it does not exist!
As for Myers here is a link that proves you wrong!
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20
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jimmycarter
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Ok then.
And here's the link that proves me right.
http://www.extraskater.com/players/qual-comp?team=buf
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diceman934
Help is on the way.
Nithoniniel
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Rielly makes better plays and smarter decisions than Gardiner, and then produces so much worse results? Makes sense, just like most of your posts.
No point in discussing with someone with such an obvious agenda though.
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