Proposal: IF we had to trade one,,,

[Sorinth]

I don't think it's ever a toss up. I'd say it only appears to be a toss up if there's insufficient knowledge.

Granted but there's always insufficient knowledge. If we had to make a decision tomorrow, I'm not sure you could argue that one is more likely to reach his potential then the other. At times they've both shown flashes and they've both struggled. It's a toss up with the knowledge we have.

 

[Guy Germaine]

Beaulieu for Yakupov

Edmonton should make this trade (but won't), but would the Habs?

no, they shouldn't. The Habs would probably take that deal in a heartbeat.

 

[JayKing]

Tough call, heh? Maybe this will help:

/thread.

 

[WestIslander]

I would trade both if I had to and if it made us better right away!

I would say un-tradeable's (even though I don't believe in that term) are:

1) Price - franchise goalie
2) Subban - franchise defenseman
3) Pacioretty - franchise power forward/40+ goal scorer
4) Galchenyuk - franchise top 2 line centre that can score
5) Gallagher - franchise hard working, gritty and all heart specialist

That is my 5 player profile!

 

[smirob]

I wouldn't want to trade either, if we can avoid it.

The only way I would be okay with moving one would be in return for a young, top 6 RW/LW with big upside. I think moving one of these two for a temporary veteran or similar would be a mistake and can be addressed via free agency.

 

[Mike8]

Granted but there's always insufficient knowledge. If we had to make a decision tomorrow, I'm not sure you could argue that one is more likely to reach his potential then the other. At times they've both shown flashes and they've both struggled. It's a toss up with the knowledge we have.

I don't agree, as I stated earlier in this thread.

 

[zzoo]

Do you remember when Subban started, he made a lot of defensive mistakes like Beaulieu now ? It's true that Subban was more physical than Beaulieu now.

Tinordi is the player to be traded, if needed.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I would only want to trade one of them if we were getting a legitimate young top six winger, ala Yakupov or an equivalent. But if I were forced to choose? Tinordi. While he does bring the physicality we lack, there is greater risk of him not reaching his potential compared to Beaulieu, who is essentially our Markov replacement.

 

[Sorinth]

I would only want to trade one of them if we were getting a legitimate young top six winger, ala Yakupov or an equivalent. But if I were forced to choose? Tinordi. While he does bring the physicality we lack, there is greater risk of him not reaching his potential compared to Beaulieu, who is essentially our Markov replacement.

It's extremely unlikely that Beaulieu becomes as good as Markov. There's always a chance, but it's close to 0.

I'm not sure why Beaulieu would be less of a risk. In order for him to reach his potential it requires him to minimize the bad decisions in the D zone. It's something that generally only comes with time and experience but at the same time it's something that is often very difficult for players to do. How many offensive defenceman have we seen who could never take the brain-farts out of their game?

 

[Natey]

Lmao @ Tinordi+Beaulieu for Giordano....

Always love when people post stuff like this and don't expand.

Giordano is very likely to be more a factor than either of those two will ever be. And that's not a slight on them.

If you think Desharnais is our biggest hole though, I'm pretty sure you have intention of wanting to win.

 

[Natey]

no, they shouldn't. The Habs would probably take that deal in a heartbeat.

Agreed. Now if you offered the Tinordi... that's something they should consider.

Still can't believe the idiots took Yak over Murray.

 

[11Goat11]

Hopefully we keep them both but if I had to choose one it would prolly be Brolieau, and only for a legit top player or prospect.

Nathan has higher upside and will most likely reach that ceiling before Tinordi reaches his but Jared has what the Habs lack in a tough yet mobile, bruising D.

 

[Brainiac]

I would only want to trade one of them if we were getting a legitimate young top six winger, ala Yakupov or an equivalent. But if I were forced to choose? Tinordi. While he does bring the physicality we lack, there is greater risk of him not reaching his potential compared to Beaulieu, who is essentially our Markov replacement.

I'm not even sure I would trade Beaulieu or Tinordi for Yakupov. The value might be there of course, but it seems that Yakupov is just running on that first overall "aura".

But I'm always a little biased towards dmen. They do take longer to develop, but when they get there, they help your team much more than a scoring winger with questionable defensive game.

And besides, where would Yakupov fit on our team?

 

[Vi Nc E x13x]

I would trade both if I had to and if it made us better right away!

I would say un-tradeable's (even though I don't believe in that term) are:

1) Price - franchise goalie
2) Subban - franchise defenseman
3) Pacioretty - franchise power forward/40+ goal scorer
4) Galchenyuk - franchise top 2 line centre that can score
5) Gallagher - franchise hard working, gritty and all heart specialist

That is my 5 player profile!

If he didnt do it once he isnt a 40 goal scorer lol .... Also wouldn't define him as a powerforward either

 

[Dr_Hook]

I'd trade any of them for the right return, but I suspect Beaulieu has a better value right now so he'd be my prime candidate, since I am still not convinced he'll be reliable enough to be a legit top 4 guy on a good team. The mental lapses seem to be a recurring theme for him.

The right return for me is a legit number 3 guy who shoots right to be slotted just behind PK and strenghtening the 2nd pairing. He'd have to be in his 20s and have a little term for me to include Beaulieu in that deal.

Given we find the guy, and it won't be easy, I'd be all for trading away Beaulieu + Fucale + pick

 

[Ezpz]

Do you remember when Subban started, he made a lot of defensive mistakes like Beaulieu now ? It's true that Subban was more physical than Beaulieu now.

Tinordi is the player to be traded, if needed.

You realize it's only once every 15-20 years a player has such a steep positive development curve as Subban right? Beaulieu doesn't have the work ethic to ever take the steps PK did.

 

[Brainiac]

The right return for me is a legit number 3 guy who shoots right to be slotted just behind PK and strenghtening the 2nd pairing. He'd have to be in his 20s and have a little term for me to include Beaulieu in that deal.

Given we find the guy, and it won't be easy, I'd be all for trading away Beaulieu + Fucale + pick

And that's the problem right there. Your package, assuming you're talking about a oh so worthty 5th rd pick, is probably not enough to get what you're looking for. Quantity vs. quality.

Right now, Beaulieu is worth way much more to us than he is to other teams. Might as well wait a little bit.

 

[Dr_Hook]

And that's the problem right there. Your package, assuming you're talking about a oh so worthty 5th rd pick, is probably not enough to get what you're looking for. Quantity vs. quality.

Right now, Beaulieu is worth way much more to us than he is to other teams. Might as well wait a little bit.

It's always the way those deals are done. Look at Spezza, Ryan, Kesler even Seguin. You package 2-3-4 somewhat valuable assets, for 1 very valuable asset. The top-quality for top-quality rarely ever happens.

And no, I wasn't talking about a mid/late-round pick. Depends how you value our prospects, but let's pretend Fucale plays in WJC again and backstops Canada to their 1st gold in a while, I'd think somebody without any viable option as goaltender may want a piece of that action. If you package a decent NHLer (also for salary purposes - Bourque ? Gilbert ?), with Fucale, Beaulieu and a 1st/2nd rounder, it has to get you something very good. Nit Giordano good, no ; but very good still.

And it would be worth investing, cause I think we got a window right now + next 2 seasons with Plek and Markov still playing well, to really step up. But I don't see us making noise with Emelin as 3 and Gilbert as 4.

And upgrade is needed and if Beaulieu is part of the price to pay, I'm ok with that.