Proposal: IF we had to trade one,,,

[BigDaddyLurch]

...for a piece we were missing, which one would you trade:

Tinordi

or

Beaulieu


...for me, as much as I was ecstatic when Beaulieu fell into our lap at the draft, I'd trade any Dman we have not named Subban before I traded Tinner...

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[Richiebottles]

None.

Honestly, I know you said one but these guys should be as untouchable as Galchenyuk, Price and Subban.

They are the core of our Defence and will help us have one of the best Ds in a few years.

Trade Pateryn or Bennett.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I don't know much about Tinordi or Beaulieu's mental game but steady puck movers are usually more important than other dmen. That said Tinner's got a great frame and is a good skater for his size. Good question - I'd love to know what the hockey scouts here would say.

 

[Ezpz]

None.

Honestly, I know you said one but these guys should be as untouchable as Galchenyuk, Price and Subban.

They are the core of our Defence and will help us have one of the best Ds in a few years.

Trade Pateryn or Bennett.

Neither of those guys have any value.

 

[Pierre Dagenais]

If I really had to, I would trade Beaulieu. But obviously, in a perfect world, I would keep both of them.

 

[Skip Bayless]

We shouldn't be trading american d-men, haven't we learned our lesson

 

[Richiebottles]

Neither of those guys have any value.

Exactly my point.

Don't trade young D-men for an ageing piece.

Haven't we learned with the McD situation ?

 

[Mike8]

That's pretty interesting, actually.

I think more of Beaulieu's upside, but I like Tinordi's unique package. There are a lot more defensemen like Beaulieu coming up now too. I'd probably still stick with Beaulieu, but that's tough. Beaulieu's 'best' performances so far have been far, far better than anything Tinordi's demonstrated to me.

 

[Richiebottles]

That's pretty interesting, actually.

I think more of Beaulieu's upside, but I like Tinordi's unique package. There are a lot more defensemen like Beaulieu coming up now too. I'd probably still stick with Beaulieu, but that's tough. Beaulieu's 'best' performances so far have been far, far better than anything Tinordi's demonstrated to me.

Tinordi suits our D needs better for the future though.

A puck moving D-man could be developed with the likes of Nygren if Beaulieu was moved.

The same couldn't really be said for Tinner.

 

[Bullsmith]

I think that would have more to do with what was coming in return. I think it would require an overpayment for MB to trade a potential core D at this stage of their development, so is team X overpaying for size or for a potential back end general?

The ceiling on both these guys is very very high. Tinordi wants to be involved in the play in all three zones. And he might get there. Beaulieu has shown incredible progress and potential and can barely get on the ice.

 

[MXD]

I'd move Beaulieu, but it's more about the fact we have more "like Beaulieu" than "like Tinordi".

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Tinordi

 

[Mike8]

Tinordi suits our D needs better for the future though.

A puck moving D-man could be developed with the likes of Nygren if Beaulieu was moved.

The same couldn't really be said for Tinner.

Sure, but that doesn't really matter.

If Tinordi develops and becomes a solid #4 who's an OK puck mover and a solid presence, that's nice. The team could use that. But if Beaulieu becomes a #1, then he's more valuable.

Just because Nygren could potentially be what Beaulieu is largely irrelevant here. And I addressed that in my post (noting that Tinordi offers a unique package, while there are more Beaulieu-types).

 

[Sorinth]

Without question Beaulieu has the higher ceiling but even though there is a huge difference in "skill", in terms of effectiveness I'm not sure there will be a huge difference over their careers. I also think Tinordi is a better complement to our D then Beaulieu is, he brings something we lack, whereas Beaulieu brings something that we already have (Though you can never have too much). Finally if we are trading one it means we are going for it now and that probably favours keeping Tinordi.

So all in all I'd probably deal Beaulieu before Tinordi. But in the end any trade involving those players would be because the other team wanted one or the other so they would dictate which we would have to give up.

 

[Hoople]

Neither.

Tinordi gives us physicality. Markov is getting old and Beaulieu will replace him.

Everyone is tradeable when you are looking to fill needs. Beaulieu and Tinordi are/will be filling needs. No thanks. McDo should have taught the Habs a lesson on trading young and talented DMen before they have developed properly.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Neither. But if we had to... Tinordi.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Depends on what we're getting back.

 

[Kojo]

If I had to choose it would be Beaulieu, but I want to say neither. They both have top-4 potential and can contribute in different ways, and as they get more experienced they will become indispensable.

 

[Sorinth]

Sure, but that doesn't really matter.

If Tinordi develops and becomes a solid #4 who's an OK puck mover and a solid presence, that's nice. The team could use that. But if Beaulieu becomes a #1, then he's more valuable.

Just because Nygren could potentially be what Beaulieu is largely irrelevant here. And I addressed that in my post (noting that Tinordi offers a unique package, while there are more Beaulieu-types).

And if Tinordi develops into a top-pairing guy and Beaulieu becomes a solid #4 then Tinordi is more valuable. They both have potential to be first pairing guys. Beaulieu can be a poor man's Subban, whereas Tinordi can be a poor man's Chara.

Chances are neither develop into top-pairing guys and they end up middle pairing guys. At that point things like fit do matter a lot and having someone who brings something unique to the table is more valuable to the team.

 

[Mike8]

And if Tinordi develops into a top-pairing guy and Beaulieu becomes a solid #4 then Tinordi is more valuable.

Well, thanks for clearing that up.

The point is that you don't choose one player based on style. You choose based on how likely you think it is that they'll reach their respective projected potential.

 

[CupInSIX]

They're our future #2 and #3

Just like the good ole days with Brisebois and Popovic

 

[Miller Time]

tough call…

I'd go with Beaulieu, even though I suspect he'll end up the superior overall player.


Tinordi's package of skills (big/tough/mean AND a very good skater) are extremely rare and very difficult to replace.
Beaulieu's best assets, as a strong skating PMD, are superior in terms of potential, but are also much easier to replace.

very few big/tough players out there who skate as well as tinordi does, and very few guys have his size, period.

Tougher asset to replace, so I'd keep Tinordi.

 

[Goldthorpe]

It's an interesting question.

I think Beaulieu has the better upside of the two. But we already have a Beaulieu in Subban. We have nothing close to Tinordi upside - Emelin is serviceable but that's it.

In the best of words I hope we never have to make this decision and we keep both.

 

[vokiel]

Nobody, we don't to trade one

It would have to be Beaulieu, due to team organizational needs.

 

[Kojo]

They're our future #2 and #3

Just like the good ole days with Brisebois and Popovic

Agreed, but I would switch Popovic to Quintal instead. They're our future Brisebois and Quintal.