Confirmed with Link: Hynes gets multi-year extension

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I knew he wasn't going anywhere this season my thought was maybe the summer. owners must like the thought of a bottom cap bottom standings team
i would love to know how much the contract is for
It's probably not for that much in dollars. I think that's more to do with the fact that it's John Hynes and he really hasn't done much to deserve a big money contract and not because ownership is cheap.

I'm sure if his deal was for $2 or $3 million a year, the narrative would be that ownership is too cheap to spend on players, but allows an unaccomplished head coach like Hynes to be paid $2-$3 million per year....
 

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If the team doesn’t have the pieces to fit a certain philosophy then they shouldn’t be playing that philosophy. A coaches job to create and adjust the system to the personnel to get the most out of them. Not implement a system and wait until you have the players to fit (which you may never get).

If he is too rigid to not be able to implement different systems as called on than he shouldn’t be a a coach at this level.

And someone else mentioned the teams backside and how it was really a miracle the team made the playoffs last year. That is precisely reason why this is a bad move. There is been no underlying improvement over the last 4 years. Trust the process but there has to be a point when you realize the process isn’t working.

Yeah.... I mean, ideally what you are preaching is spot on. In reality, I think these guys hope to put that ideal system in place, and hope the players grow into it.

I mean, if Mueller is left alone to actually play games, if Vats played as well as he did last season, if Severson makes the jump to reliable 1st pair guy, if Butcher continues his development, if Santini steps up to be a reliable 3rd pairing guy who isn't burned by 1st pair duties, if Greene doesn't lose a step or two, if Yak exceeds expectations...

perhaps we aren't having this conversation because the backend is good enough to play this style? But none of those happened.

Lots of 'ifs' but I'm thinking that's the gambles that winning GMs have to make?
 
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You don't have to like everything about the GM. I think a lot of people have seen the team 'backslide' this season not realizing what a miracle it is that the Devils made the playoffs at all last season. This could've easily been 5 years in the dumps - an extended run of bottom finishes without even a sniff at the playoffs.



Yeah, this is drivel. Pittsburgh hasn't been a bad team for 13 years - they've made the playoffs every season since 2005-06. Their 'identity' now has nothing to do with them being bad for 5 years in the early 00s decade any more than the Devils' identity in the late 90s had anything to do with them being terrible in the mid 80s; there are no players left from that time, and there are no coaches left from that time. Moreover, I've no idea what Philadelphia's identity is now - they're bad, they've overhauled their organization in season and I assume there's a lot more moves coming. They're far from the physical teams of even the 90s. Boston I'll grant, but that's because they've had 2 HOFers for over a decade who play incredible defensive hockey. When Chara hangs them up, I'm not sure that 'identity' is still there.

Yea I agree. Nobody cares what Pittsburgh's identity was.
You know what their identity is now? Perennial cup contender. Sounds good to me.
They have a generational talent and if you are lucky enough to have one, it makes things alot easier. Not to mention it excites the fanbase, drives ticket sales, merchandise, more national attention and media coverage, attracting maybe a player or two in free agency, all really good, healthy things for a franchise. It makes a big difference. Our team would benefit enormously from a player or two like that.
 

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Using a team like Pittsburgh or Chicago as a blueprint is kind of pointless if your team doesn't have Crosby/Malkin and Kane/Toews to build around. And your chances of doing that are even worse now with the draft lottery the way it is.
 
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I really hope Kowalsky gets replaced. I don't mind Nas as much, only because he is running a top shelf PK at the moment with one of the leagues worst defenses.

The PP does look alot better since they stopped that instantly recognizable and predictable drop pass.

I agree with the poster said that this confirms that the onus is on Ray to get better. The forward group he has given us is pretty solid, but the defense is just so underwhelming. Undersized and underwhelming.
 

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When your day one starting tandem is 48th and 73rd in the league in GAA, I sort of get why the GM wants to give the coach the benefit of the doubt in that situation.

Hynes was talking about the importance of goaltending before the game on Monday as well. Ray and Hynes are tossing the goalies under the bus for any failures this year. I am pretty convinced of that.

Still I do think we have some systemic issues that Hynes needs to watch a lot of tape over in the offseason to address.

Too many guys don’t seem to know where they need to be and when they need to be there.

The support in the “Fast, Attacking, and Support” has been missing all season. Guys don’t support each other when one guy moves out of position to chase the puck carrier.
 
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I really hope Kowalsky gets replaced. I don't mind Nas as much, only because he is running a top shelf PK at the moment with one of the leagues worst defenses.

The PP does look alot better since they stopped that instantly recognizable and predictable drop pass.

I agree with the poster said that this confirms that the onus is on Ray to get better. The forward group he has given us is pretty solid, but the defense is just so underwhelming. Undersized and underwhelming.
This part likely wont change unless its coming from outside of the organization - Shero is notorious for drafting smaller, transition/offensive experts
 

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When your day one starting tandem is 48th and 73rd in the league in GAA, I sort of get why the GM wants to give the coach the benefit of the doubt in that situation.

Huge correlation with how bad our structure is defensively. Not to absolve the goaltenders, as I think Cory sucks really bad, and Kinkaid had his own share of bad stretches.

We'll see how Blackwood fares with the same structure in front of him
 

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Not really a huge fan but also kind of neutral, too. I don’t think he’s a good coach but I also don’t think he’s an uber noticeably bad one, either. He’s been doing a lot of things I like recently. Like giving Butcher real minutes and playing Blackwood. I do wish he’d play Bratt more. I think we can afford to see him with an upgraded roster and two competent tenders.
 

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An entire 24 hours later and this pisses me off lol. This isn't gonna blow up in sheros face and we're gonna be stuck in rebuild mode longer.

What a pathetic staff, from the GMs down. No moves in the off seasonable when up in sheros face, and Hynes garbage ass system he refuses to adjust to fit what is on the team only makes shaky goaltending worse.
 

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There is no way he is our coach for the 2020-2021 season. Not a chance
If we have a similar record in December of 2019 as we did in December of 2018 and December of 2016, I don't think he makes it to New Years of 2020.
 

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One fact worth noting. A general manager is only allowed so many firings before he too gets the knockout punch. This isn’t like LL’s days where he could fire a coach whenever he desired and didn’t have to answer for it. If the team had been doing a lot of winning and Rejean had built up some clout then he’d probably get free reign to fire coach after coach without having to pay the tab himself. That’s why Lou was able to do it. Ray hasn’t been here long enough or won enough to get to do that serially without having to answer for it. So he has to be mindful of that. There have been instances when the owners demand the GM fire the coach like what happened in LA with DL a couple years back. But if the people Ray has to answer to aren’t pushing for him to make a move then I think he’ll try and hold out a little bit longer with Hynes. Because the clock really starts running on him when he fires Hynes. Then he starts working on borrowed time. Unless he does it in years from now.
 

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Not really a huge fan but also kind of neutral, too. I don’t think he’s a good coach but I also don’t think he’s an uber noticeably bad one, either. He’s been doing a lot of things I like recently. Like giving Butcher real minutes and playing Blackwood. I do wish he’d play Bratt more. I think we can afford to see him with an upgraded roster and two competent tenders.

I think that upgraded roster will be Hynes’ leash. If he can’t get success when Ray thinks the roster is there, then he is gone.

While we still are building he is going to keep getting plenty of rope.
 

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I think that upgraded roster will be Hynes’ leash. If he can’t get success when Ray thinks the roster is there, then he is gone.

While we still are building he is going to keep getting plenty of rope.
No doubt Ray isn’t in any trouble yet with his job security. A coach firing is usually a dent in the GM’s armor. If he were to fire Hynes and the team comes out just as bad after that then blame starts to get deflected more on him. That’s all I’m saying.
 

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I'm cool with it.
Devils have a young team and Hynes seems to be better with our younger players than Deboer ever was.
This offseason is going to be crucial, Shero has a lot of cap space to play with. Devils can easily bounce back.
 

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Well now...



Not surprised in the least.
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Well so much for giving up sniffing glue this year, that lasted almost 3 whole days.





I'm cool with that. :thumbu::thumbu::thumbu::thumbu:
 
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Using a team like Pittsburgh or Chicago as a blueprint is kind of pointless if your team doesn't have Crosby/Malkin and Kane/Toews to build around. And your chances of doing that are even worse now with the draft lottery the way it is.
What strategy would you say Colorado is using? There are some experts that feel they are an up and coming team using that "pointless" strategy of acquiring a core group of players that is currently 27 and under (MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Barrie with Makar. Ottawa 1st on the way). Seems like a nice collection of talent to me, and they even "lost" the 2017 draft lottery.
 

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No doubt Ray isn’t in any trouble yet with his job security. A coach firing is usually a dent in the GM’s armor. If he were to fire Hynes and the team comes out just as bad after that then blame starts to get deflected more on him. That’s all I’m saying.
Judging from what I have read with respect to how the Devils owners are handling the Sixers, I think the Devils future is bright. They seemed to have a good grasp of what the GM that started the process (Sam Hinkie) was doing, they seemed to have a good sense of when to change to win now mode, and they have kept the coach that started "the Process" since Harris was smart enough to realize the team did not have enough talent to win.
Harris also got involved in helping the Sixers make a big trade to acquire a star player.
Sixers owner opens up about Jimmy Butler trade: 'I've been incredibly impressed with him'

I will stop posting so you can get back to the talk of firing people.
 
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Judging from what I have read with respect to how the Devils owners are handling the Sixers, I think the Devils future is bright. They seemed to have a good grasp of what the GM that started the process (Sam Hinkie) was doing, they seemed to have a good sense of when to change to win now mode, and they have kept the coach that started "the Process" since Harris was smart enough to realize the team did not have enough talent to win.
Harris also got involved in helping the Sixers make a big trade to acquire a star player.
Sixers owner opens up about Jimmy Butler trade: 'I've been incredibly impressed with him'

I will stop posting so you can get back to the talk of firing people.

Valid point. I don’t think ownership is wringing their hands over any of this. As long as Hynes doesn’t lose the team they probably aren’t too worried about short term results. Shero sold them on a tweaked version of the process and they obviously bought in. Shero’s interviews have repeated his mantra on this issue even if we don’t want to listen closely.

I have been on record with my view that Hynes is your typical NHL coach with platitudes and play hard talk with meh Xs and Os. With a flawed roster I am not surprised Shero would stay the course. Hynes also wants to realize Shero’s vision of the team and I’m sure Hynes is very earnest and works hard even if he doesn’t accomplish much. If he gets Hall to buy in leading to an extension, gets the other players to play hard, and develops the young players I guess that is his job for now.
 

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What strategy would you say Colorado is using? There are some experts that feel they are an up and coming team using that "pointless" strategy of acquiring a core group of players that is currently 27 and under (MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, Barrie with Makar. Ottawa 1st on the way). Seems like a nice collection of talent to me, and they even "lost" the 2017 draft lottery.

Do you have reading comprehension issues or are you just purposely misinterpreting what I was saying to further the argument? Nowhere, in my entire statement, did I say that acquiring core players under 27 was "pointless".
 

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A coach does a couple things: First, he manages the locker room, gets the guys playing hard and playing for each other. Second, he teaches the game and makes actual decisions as to system and strategy, lines, personnel, match ups, etc.

I think Hynes is quite good at number one. The team is committed, guys seem to play for him and want to play for him, even now, even in hard times. We have been consistently resilient under him, when things get stormy he seems to keep the vessel afloat. He’s a steady, fair, honest hockey guy and those are his strengths.

Interestingly, for a guy with those qualities, I’ve not been that impressed with the assistant coaches he’s attracted and hired.

But as to number 2, he’s got a ways to go and needs to grow. His system and tactics often don’t look good at a pro level as opposed to an AHL or college game and he’s not particularly creative or intuitive. Slow to see adjustments and make them, both during a season and within games, slow to see personnel combinations, and even when he does find one that works he often doesn’t stick with it. The management within games could be better too. Often a lot better.

Shero seems to value # 1 over # 2 at this point. The strengths make him a good steady guy for building a team of youngsters and instilling good professional habits. But the weaknesses mean that he won’t get the highest performance out of a roster.

Question for the future is whether Hynes can himself become more than just a reasonably competent good character kind of guy? Will he improve as a coach as the personnel upgrades?

Stay tuned.
 
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