Hurricanes Name Don Waddell as GM and Rod Brind’Amour as Head Coach

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Oh no, is Rod going to be sticking needles in all of our players butts?

If they’re lucky

 

[OttawaKing]

Oh no, is Rod going to be sticking needles in all of our players butts?

[mod] but in general I would say that a person's actions say something about the type of person they are. That type of thing can rub off on other people. Any time you invite a questionable character into your locker room, and this is complete separate from this particular case, you are taking a potentially unnecessary risk on how that may affect your team.

 

[OttawaKing]

But clearly you guys think it's a non-issue so it really doesnt matter.

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

[mod] but in general I would say that a person's actions say something about the type of person they are. That type of thing can rub off on other people. Any time you invite a questionable character into your locker room, and this is complete separate from this particular case, you are taking a potentially unnecessary risk on how that may affect your team.

Rod Brind’amour a questionable character? He’s one of the most respected people in hockey, known for his insane work ethic.

He’s never been caught or even really accused of taking ped’s so I don’t know why you’re even going down this road especially considering he’s been retired for years and this is a thread regarding him being hired for a head coaching position.

In other words - you’re full of it.

 

[OttawaKing]

Rod Brind’amour a questionable character? He’s one of the most respected people in hockey, known for his insane work ethic.

He’s never been caught or even really accused of taking ped’s so I don’t know why you’re even going down this road especially considering he’s been retired for years and this is a thread regarding him being hired for a head coaching position.

In other words - you’re full of it.

I just said "and this is complete separate from this particular case" meaning I wasn't talking about him at all, I apologize if I didn't make that clear enough.

That's also why I asked the question in the first place, to see if I was out of place in saying it, something I admitted I probably was when I said : "you guys think it's a non-issue". Again, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

I did try and stay relevant to the thread by going on a tangent about qualities that I believed might be important for a coach to have, that's all. Anytime a player goes on to become a coach its an interesting opportunity to compare how they were as a player to how they might coach. That's why I noted that it would be nice if his work ethic rubbed off on players, something I personally think can really help a team. That's all I'll say about that since it seems to be a slightly sensitive matter.

 

[landfill]

this Waddell hiring isn't getting enough attention. I think due to the market.

In Atlanta


-terrible drafting

-got nothing substantial in return kovelchuk and Hossa trades

-couldn't build A team around kovelchuk and heatley

-team was so bad they ended up leaving town due to attendance and on ice team......maybe that is the end game here. Housten hurricanes works well




He is on a level with McLean, milbury, and Calgary version of feaster

 

[King In The North]

A lot of Atlanta's misfortune was due to ownership too. Can't blame everything on Waddell.

 

[King In The North]

Also I'm a big fan of Carolina's scouting. So long as he uses them they could be okay from that standpoint.

 

[Devilsfan118]

this Waddell hiring isn't getting enough attention. I think due to the market.

In Atlanta


-terrible drafting

-got nothing substantial in return kovelchuk and Hossa trades

-couldn't build A team around kovelchuk and heatley

-team was so bad they ended up leaving town due to attendance and on ice team......maybe that is the end game here. Housten hurricanes works well




He is on a level with McLean, milbury, and Calgary version of feaster

*grabs tinfoil hat*

Maybe the NHL had a hand in this to facilitate an eventual relocation. Let Waddell run the franchise into the ground like he did with Atlanta for a few years, kill fan interest, etc.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Why is it that hockey fans, in particular, are so obssessed with relocation?

If you think about Waddell's role in the franchise sale and the relationship he's likely built with the new owner in the process combined with Dundon's unwillingness to spend money on a potential figurehead GM, you can see the likely reason why he got the chance to repair his legacy.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Re-sign him before he became a UFA? He was reallly good.

It's not as if he didn't try.

Hossa had a ragged journey to 500 goals

Ultimately, Waddell deserves blame for those trades; he failed to build an organization attractive enough to retain franchise talent. I just find the criticism of the returns to be over the top considering the contractual status of both players. There's virtually no leverage in that circumstance.

 

[Rebels57]

It's not as if he didn't try.

Hossa had a ragged journey to 500 goals

Ultimately, Waddell deserves blame for those trades; he failed to build an organization attractive enough to retain franchise talent. I just find the criticism of the returns to be over the top considering the contractual status of both players. There's virtually no leverage in that circumstance.

Really interesting read. It's crazy how the direction of so many franchises was altered by Hossa.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Lol I honestly thought I simply had a dream that Don Waddell was back in the league but it is real.

How about that.

He never left the League. After Atlanta moved to Winnipeg, the Pens hired him as a scout and after Rutherford left Carolina he came here to take on the business side of Rutherford's portfolio. It's not like he's been sitting idly by for 7 years. Again, your own team employed him immediately after the Thrashers were sold.

 

[Pens x]

He never left the League. After Atlanta moved to Winnipeg, the Pens hired him as a scout and after Rutherford left Carolina he came here to take on the business side of Rutherford's portfolio. It's not like he's been sitting idly by for 7 years. Again, your own team employed him immediately after the Thrashers were sold.

I honestly think that Hossa deal came with a promise of a job once he was fired by the Thrashers. It is just one heck of a coincidence.

Guy makes a horrible trade to team A and team A subsequently hires him.

 

[tarheelhockey]

In Atlanta
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-team was so bad they ended up leaving town due to attendance and on ice team......

Not true. The Thrashers moved because their ownership group deliberately torpedoed them. Atlanta Spirit were a bunch of basketball guys who wanted the Hawks franchise and rights to the arena, but were forced to buy the Thrashers in order to get the other two things. They knew from Day One (which was in 2003) that they were going to get rid of the Thrashers, but spent the rest of the decade suing each other so that their assets were locked in place while the courts sorted it out.

When they finally got out of litigation, the group immediately moved on getting the Thrashers out of the arena, with only a joke process of "trying" to find local ownership to satisfy NHL rules. They designed that search to fail by putting unreasonable conditions on the sale (the new buyer would be a "tenant" of the arena) and lawyered their way around any attempt by the NHL to save the team the way they had with the Penguins, Predators and Coyotes. In the end their reward was a $60 million check from True North to send the team away to Winnipeg.

Just want the record to be accurate on this, since a lot of good hockey fans lost their team to this nonsense.

 

[Kranix]

Feels like an ol boys club hire. Good luck to him though. Who knows? Maybe he can do a good job.

You know he means business when his first act is to bring in his old buddy, Rick Dudley, who resigned from the Lightning because they wouldn't let him trade Vincent Lecavalier (for Peter Worrell, probably).

 

[the halleJOKEL]

You know he means business when his first act is to bring in his old buddy, Rick Dudley, who resigned from the Lightning because they wouldn't let him trade Vincent Lecavalier (for Peter Worrell, probably).

your order of events is backwards

 

[Kranix]

your order of events is backwards

He tried to trade Lecavalier after he resigned?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Like the Brind’Amour hire, less so Waddell.

 

[Pens x]

Bargain bin GM

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

They knew from Day One (which was in 2003) that they were going to get rid of the Thrashers, but spent the rest of the decade suing each other so that their assets were locked in place while the courts sorted it out.

Good post, but but clarification on this bit: Steve Belkin, the money guy of ASG (the only one with significant financial assets) and the other members had a falling out over how to handle rge acquisition of NBA....."star".....Joe Johnson. ASG spent 6 years suing Belkin over legal pedantry so they could buy him out.

What I think you're referring to is that, after the suit concluded ASG entered negotiations to sell the arena and the Hawks to some shipping magnate... negotiations which coincidentally ended soon after the inception of Jets 2.0.

They legally forced all suitors for the Thrashers to consider the Thrashers exclusively with this trick.

FTR, the reason Bettnan didn't overtly fight ASG over the Thrashers is due to the only arena capable of an NHL franchise was owned by ASG. Not the case in carolina.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Interesting comments from John Forslund on Brindy.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I am really interested to see how this whole "leadershipping" and "energizing" to glory is going to pan out. Hopefully I'm either overvaluing Xs and Os or undervaluing Rod's Xs and Os.