Hurricanes Name Don Waddell as GM and Rod Brind’Amour as Head Coach

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Paying a pittance for a GM/Coach is more likely to lead to less than optimal results, than paying market value for a quality candidate.

In baseball, teams with total salaries within the top-5 or top-10 are not guaranteed to make the playoffs and win the World Series. Plenty of examples of that. However, the teams with the top payrolls (and usually the highest paid management teams) are much more likely to make the playoffs on a consistent basis and have sustained success than those outside the top-10.

With these (cheap) hires, I think Carolina is limiting their chances at long-term success. Brind'amour has very limited coaching experience and was never considered a top head coach candidate prior to the hire. Waldell has a mediocre trade record and a terrible drafting history with many first round disappointments/busts and few regular NHL players in rounds 2-9.

I'm not saying the Canes will end up missing the playoffs every single season, but hiring these two may limit the potential of Carolina...bubble team that only qualifies for the playoffs every other year on average over the next several seasons with first round exits....as opposed to a team that consistently qualifies for the playoffs, finishes higher in the standings and has some deep runs with more qualified coaching and management.

Then again, as other poster said, maybe Waddell will be like Rutherford in Pittsburgh - a GM hired when most of the pieces are in place and puts the finishing touches on a Stanley Cup contender. I am not counting on it though as the Pens have, by far, higher end talent in their forward lines.

That's a fair analysis. There's no doubt that Carolina is small market team and will therefore behave like one. There's no point competing with top-payroll organizations who will invariably outbid whatever we're able to offer, leaving us with leftovers to choose from. So there's really not a lot to say other than that we're going to be the low-dollar team in the league for the foreseeable future (until the economy of North America shifts drastically, at least).
 

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Our drafting has been pretty damn good in recent years yet it’s going to somehow go to shit now because of Waddell?

The scouts are still the same and Dundon has said time and again there will be input on all matters from lots of different people. No one guy is calling all the shots here.
 
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I have no idea what to think/expect. I have been a discouraged fan for quite sometime now. Can it get any worse?

I just hope the youth we have along with the #2 pick will be good enough to override a mediocre GM
 

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I think too many people are hung up on the official title of Waddell as GM. While he's going to be the GM of the Canes going forward, he's not going to be the GM in the typical fashion you'd expect with any given franchise. Dundon has repeatedly said that he's looking to have the team governed by committee, which is why you saw him also bring in Dudley, kept Vellucci around in a VP role, and kept Tulsky around. He's setting the team up to run like a legit business and wants to ensure there are redundancies and the ability to continue forward should anyone leave. Part of making this work is splitting out the typical roles of the GM through this braintrust, which has the effect of making the GM role less valuable to the franchise. This is a big reason you are seeing these rumors of lowball salaries for potential GMs, because the role isn't as all encompassing as you'd expect. But offering the reasoning doesn't get as many page clicks as "omg Canes owner is a cheapass look at this circus lolz". I would expect that baked into this, you'll see the salaries of the guys surrounding Waddell to have risen a bit to justify the extra responsibilities they have, though I haven't seen anything officially stated, yet.

Do we know that this will work? No, absolutely not. This could absolutely blow up in our face and then we're left with a team that routinely misses the playoffs and a half-filled home arena that only gets rowdy when bandwagon teams roll into town. But it could also work, and it could also revolutionize the sport as we know it. 10 years from now, the Canes could be one of the stronger teams in the league with other flailing franchises falling over themselves to copy our managerial model. We don't know how this is going to go, and to state anything has hard fact one way or another is completely and utterly foolish. The same kind of foolish that knew that Vegas was setting themselves up for a tank this year, and knew that Doug Pederson was the most unqualified NFL head coaching hire in 3+ decades 2 years ago, and knew that Jim Rutherford was going to fail in Pittsburgh because of how bad he allowed things to get in Raleigh, and knew that the Philadelphia 76ers "process" would never lead to a team capable of the playoffs. But I get it, much easier to offer the hot take now and hope nobody brings receipts when you're proven wrong later.
 

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I don't know how a guy with Waddell's record is employed in the NHL, in any capacity. He's the poster boy for GM ineptitude (perhaps in a dead-heat with Mike Milbury).
 

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Would it be considered a character attack if I brought up the hearsay that Brindamour might've been a P.E.D. user?
 

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Stefan, Lehtonen, Coburn for Zhitnick (off the top of my head) are "questionable moves"? Masterful use of euphemism.
How were Stefan and Lehtonen bad moves? They were drafted right where everyone else would’ve taken them. Lehtonen started out looking like a stud too.

Coburn for Zhitnick was bad from the get go, no doubt there. Questioning draft picks in the top 3 is so lame. You go with the consensus, and there’s always consensus about that high. Looking back on what we know now? Cmon. I know. You’re the guy that knew those two wouldn’t turn out.
 

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Was hoping Vellucci would get a shot at either position. He was a great GM and coach in the OHL, and did a good job in Charlotte this season.
 
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Lol I honestly thought I simply had a dream that Don Waddell was back in the league but it is real.

How about that.
 

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Here is the drafting record of Waddell in Atlanta

Atlanta Thrashers Draft History at hockeydb.com

Compare that to teams like Nashville and San Jose - teams that rarely draft in the top-5 or top-10 over the years. The difference in the number and quality NHL players drafted outside the first round is staggering.

San Jose Sharks Draft History at hockeydb.com
Nashville Predators Draft History at hockeydb.com

Don Waddell is the man most responsible for the Thrashers persistent failures. It's hard for me to overstate how terrible he was. Drove that franchise into the ground and then some. I'm astonished another budget team is turning over the keys to him. Just wow.
 

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Don Waddell is the man most responsible for the Thrashers persistent failures. It's hard for me to overstate how terrible he was. Drove that franchise into the ground and then some. I'm astonished another budget team is turning over the keys to him. Just wow.

He’s not the sole one in charge.

Dundon has stayed over and over again they will make decisions by committee.
 
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Would it be considered a character attack if I brought up the hearsay that Brindamour might've been a P.E.D. user?
The story I love about Rod is when Missy Hyat said she wanted to put a bag over his head when they spent the night together.
 

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Don’t know what that allegation would have to do with this thread. From his teens the guy was legendary for his work ethic. There’s no shortage of stories about him.

Is he on coaching enhancing drugs now?
I still haven't been advised to if I can comment on it, so all I would say is that isn't necessarily be the type of person I want around young players.

But if it was all work ethic then the opposite is true and that might be good for the players.
 

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I still haven't been advised to if I can comment on it, so all I would say is that isn't necessarily be the type of person I want around young players.

But if it was all work ethic then the opposite is true and that might be good for the players.

Oh no, is Rod going to be sticking needles in all of our players butts?
 

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