Discussion in 'Carolina Hurricanes' started by garnetpalmetto, Mar 10, 2020.
This is basically what they are doing.
As if things couldn't get any more weird:
If the name Michael Baden rings a bell it's because he is the guy who went on Fox and Friends and said he believed that after examining the evidence he was convinced Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself.
If this past week has been any indication, there’s no one “innocent” in the eyes of those with guns. Even today, peaceful protestors were tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets before Trump’s speech just so he could get a clear photo op.
Rolling out the military against peaceful protesters is the kind of move you see from authoritarian governments. Nothing from these past few days has dictated this kind of response. It’s also the exact opposite thing you want to do right now, as it shows you’ve completely missed what people are protesting.
On the one hand, at least the military is trained better than police officers, so hopefully we’ll see less of the unbelievably blatant abuse of power that we’ve seen from the police force.
They may not be rolling up specifcally with "Arty" (great slang, you must really know your stuff), but those "rolling tanks down the road" are aggressing more than protecting. Look at locations of protests with a less militarized police force presence versus locations without.
Imagine any other government in the world doing the same thing, it's authoritarian - hard stop. It is no coincidence that trump's actions tonight followed his call with putin earlier today. trump used tear gas and rubber bullets against peaceful protesters collaborating with a local church to host a safe haven with water, snacks, and first aid to hold a photo opp while holding a bible upside down with no coherent message to the public.
EDIT: basically what ^ Blueline Bomber just said
Abuse of power. Wow. People are outside of their neighborhood with baseball bats and guns to keep an Antifa from coming and we’re saying abuse of power?!?! This is extreme hyperbole or someone is binging the Antifa channel. Anarchists have wrecked havoc on the Secret Service and potentially bombing the White House of the past 3 days and we’re saying they are peaceful?!?! And the cherry on top, “for a clear photo op” hahahahaha.
the more you speak about the military the more it shows you don’t know what you are talking about. A. We, the military, are more trained to accomplish missions by kicking ass. Only the Military Police is trained to police. The rest of us get very little in that area. Knowing that, the military would be vastly hog tied when helping. The visuals on the military using military power on civilians would be unrecoverable. Basically my brethren would be in the back guarding some landmarks to allow more police to be forward. In short, a police force multiplier not a main effort. Example: Atlanta. NG protecting centennial park while all the cops were forward with the crowds of “peaceful” folks.
what comes first militarized police or a population that requires one? Answer its the 2nd. We see the militarized in areas that require it. Hence why we don’t see it where they don’t need it.
glad you enjoyed the slang. Got plenty of TLAs and lingo i can throw out if you need more.
Just want to say sorry, dude. I didn't know you were fighting the good fight against Antifa, the greatest threat to our constitutional republic. My apologies. Good luck, and I hope you finally bring those running the pedo rings out of pizza shops in DC to justice.
it's amazing how many people in this country fall victim to russian state run propaganda and don't even realize it
... or someone has done very good job convincing side A that side B are damn socialists and cultural marxists and side B that side A are useful idiots for the KGB, whilst raking in all the profits.
Already the Ancient Romans knew how to divide and conquer.
Wait so you’re telling me hot single moms within 5 miles of me aren’t looking for a good time?
... I have entered the resistance
(avoiding getting into the toxic discussion above)
I've been on dating sites for a fair bit now since splitting with my ex, and I have only seen maybe 2-3 ladies pop up that are anywhere near as attractive as the ones that pop up on the FB ads as being "single ladies in their 20s/30s in your area"
Dating sites are the worst, especially when you’re an ugly MFer like myself. I’ve met a couple really great women but for the most part it’s just constant disappointment. I know a lot of people who have met their significant other though. I’m patiently waiting for our sexbot overlords.
Yes, abuse of power. I don't know how you've managed to miss the litany of instances of innocent people getting injured or maimed. And yes, I'm using that word correctly. One freelance journalist was permanently blinded after being struck in the eye by a rubber bullet.
But judging by the rest of your post, I'm guessing the reason you've missed them is that you're so far into the "Deep State" conspiracy, you're completely blind to what's actually happening around the country.
But at least we agree on one thing: The visuals on the military using military power on civilians would be unrecoverable. Remember that over the next few days.
Oh, and if you're doubting the photo op comment:
And the video from the camera crew that was assaulted:
This is absolutely ridiculous
Are there mostly innocent folks in these protests. Most definitely. Vast majority are innocent folks.
here is the problem: either we A: allow the good innocent folks to continue while the tiny minority (lots of rumors, theories, and videos of payments on who it could be) injure, loot, burn, and vandalize.
The news is littered with burning buildings, everyone gets uneasy, and unrest and worry is among the quiet folks. Firefighters now have to risk their lives among the chaos to stop the fires. Basically Thursday-Saturday
B. Crowd control everyone once the time is deemed appropriate. Which means, unfortunately, innocent folks are going to get caught up in it.
The innocent folks will come on TV complaining and have articles written about them while we ensure to keep the violent stuff out of the picture where they were innocent. The media is full of quieter cities, Police are still crap and getting to be another military, and Leaders are crap and becoming dictators. Etc, etc.
basically Sunday and yesterday.
The wishful answer is C. Everyone peaceful protests and then goes home. So far, we haven’t had enough of that.
Since C isn’t happening all the time, we are in non winning situation. Unfortunately we haven’t invented innocent folks proof crowd control agents yet.
the duality of man is funny. I don’t want to see burning, looted cities and I don’t want see the actions required to stop it.
because I am only contributing to what @Lempo is describing, I’ll leave it alone from now on.
Better? Yes. Better for this job (crowd control), I doubt it.
Good that you aren't impatient. The whole point of waiting would be kind of lost.
Yea, I don't know how anyone can watch this and not see it as police being aggressors and overreaching. I've seen areas where both sides were peaceful and respectful towards one another (most likely to see change), some where protesters escalated and forced the cops to do something to disperse/control a growing mob (least likely to see change), and then instances where police escalated an otherwise peaceful protest (NEED the most changes implemented). This is definitely the last of those 3...people were being rushed into crowds where they couldn't move and pressured even more and that's what sparks outrage. Now maybe before this video started they announced the street was being closed off and people ignored them? Even so, I see no reason police couldn't move forward at a pace that allows people to get out of the way and only use a bit of a push for folks who refuse to move. Stuff like this has brought out both the best and worst in people and police. Thankfully in Winston everything I've seen has been peaceful protests and non-combative police (3 days straight)
In COVID news, we'll definitely know about a "second wave" here soon because there has been no social distancing (and mix of mask-wearing) at most of these protests, and they far exceed the scale and scope of the "lockdown" protests from a couple weeks ago.
In Atlanta it's been pretty much a tale of before curfew and after curfew, at least that's what's being reported. Curfew has been 9pm since Saturday, and any protests going on before that have been pretty peaceful. Then curfew starts to approach, and people from out of state come in and get violent (news was reporting that the "majority" of those starting the violence are not Atlantans but out of staters), and the police response escalates.
We've been watching the live helicopter feeds on the news the last two nights, and it really is odd to see the escalation unfold. Before curfew, even videos of officers breaking ranks and marching with the protesters have surfaced. Approaching curfew and after... it's a shitshow.
Yeah that's been lost in all of this. Can't tell if it's a positive side effect or not but no one has had COVID on their mind the last few days.
Each one of these has the potential to become a superspreading event.
That’s where I met my wife. Eharmony. The other “dating” sites are just code for “wanna f***?” Which is fine if that’s what you’re looking for.
Mathematically there are very likely hot single moms within five miles of you looking for a good time.
It just doesn’t mean they’re looking to find that good time with YOU. Or me for that matter.
I'd be wary of any claims of violence being caused by "those out of state." So far, both Minneapolis and New York have made similar statements and both were proven wrong by the jail records.
In addition, it's a tactic that's been used in the past (most recently in the Hong Kong protests) to discredit the protests themselves.
1. Claim the acts of violence are being done by "outsiders" and not locals
2. Have coverage of the violence and looting overshadow the protests
3. Bring in military forces to suppress the "outsiders" from committing violence (which suppresses the protests in the process)
Oh, and just for shoots and giggles, here are a few images of police officers covering their names and ID number on their badges, just in case anyone doesn't think they know what they're doing is wrong.
I'm willing to bet any body cams are turned off as well.
There are absolutely good cops out there, but the whole point of these protests is demanding accountability from our police force so that incidents like Floyd's hopefully happen less often (asking for none seems like a pipe dream) and that those who commit crimes while in uniform get more punishment than simply a reassignment to another precinct. That's something any good cop should want.
Ill retract my previous ending a jump back in.
Jail records =\= that out of towners arent starting it. Just means they are better at getting away with it.
Is it intelligence driven information or just propaganda?
do love all the rumors of who are the instigators:
Even plain clothed cops
in Atlanta body cams are still on. Cops were fired for excessive force.
also really like those pictures you took.
The first has their names on the badge clearly visible
The 2nd, the identifying badge is 6 inches to the left.
They could be mourning a fellow officer. But the conspiracy theory rhetoric fits better.
Separate names with a comma.