Hull & Oates vs Ovechkin & Backstrom

[streitz]

Stop humiliating yourself in this thread.

There is just now way that Hull is a better player than Ovechkin.

Good to know 'now way' Hull is Better.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Good to know 'now way' Hull is Better.

This is the kind of reply you get when nostalgia is the only argument you have to defend your case.

 

[Kunta Kinte]

This is the kind of reply you get when nostalgia is the only argument you have to defend your case.

I bring one argument for Hull and everyone skip it, fun how it works. Its not nostalgia, its a fact that at their best vs best, Hull was a more dominant scoring threat.

 

[streitz]

This is the kind of reply you get when nostalgia is the only argument you have to defend your case.

No, I watched Hull play. He was a better player. Most posters here are too young to have seen Hull.

 

[Voight]

Of course he was, doesn't change the fact that Hull was a better player then Ovechkin

Because.....?

I just showed why Hull was able to have higher scoring seasons... scoring was higher then & he had one of the best passers of all time playing with him. Oh and like I said before, Hull only reached 50 goals once or twice after Oates was traded......

 

[streitz]

Because.....?

I just showed why Hull was able to have higher scoring seasons... scoring was higher then & he had one of the best passers of all time playing with him. Oh and like I said before, Hull only reached 50 goals once or twice after Oates was traded......

That's what happens when you age.


He was still better then Ovechkin.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Oates is so far ahead of Backstrom it defies all logic

Hull was slightly better then Ovechkin.


Oates/Hull >>>>>> Backstrom/Ovechkin

Ovechkin is a better player than Hull, full stop and Backstrom is a better defensive C than Oates.

Ultimately it's Oates > Backstrom and Ovechkin >> Hull.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Nah it doesn't work like that. Stop posting irrelevant statistics to cover for hyperbole.


Oates was not as good a playmaker as Lemieux or Orr. Fact.

Hull's success was contributed to by Oates, Oates also missed 20 games in Hull's best year. Ergo, Oates while a large factor was not the primary factor behind Hull's success.

Hull is equal in goal scoring to Ovechkin and vastly superior in all other aspects of hockey.



Players used to carry the puck and try to score goals. It was fun to watch.


Now players 'chip the puck in' and 'play good D' while 'doing intangibles'.

You clearly don't watch hockey now, that much is clear. In today's games zone entries carrying the puck is the vastly preferred way to enter the zone and it's supported by analystics, at least in the top 6 anyway. You really only see the bottom 2 lines dump and chasing.

 

[streitz]

Ovechkin is a better player than Hull, full stop and Backstrom is a better defensive C than Oates.

Ultimately it's Oates > Backstrom and Ovechkin >> Hull.

Wrong on both counts.


Frankly I'd rate them

Oates > Hull > Ovechkin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Backstrom

 

[streitz]

You clearly don't watch hockey now, that much is clear. In today's games zone entries carrying the puck is the vastly preferred way to enter the zone and it's supported by analystics, at least in the top 6 anyway. You really only see the bottom 2 lines dump and chasing.

Nope, very little skill in today's game.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Nope, very little skill in today's game.

You aren't even trying, troll elsewhere.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Wrong on both counts.


Frankly I'd rate them

Oates > Hull > Ovechkin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Backstrom

And you'd be wrong.

 

[Craig Button]

 

[streitz]

And you'd be wrong.

Well I don't think I am.

Hull was a better hockey player then Ovechkin, fact.

 

[Randyne]

I kinda agree that AO > Hull overall... But people dismiss that at their peak, Hull is a better goal scoring than AO by a decent margin...
35 goals lead over 2nd place...

Perhaps Oates is a better passer than Backstrom by a decent margin...
Subtract from 86G goals assisted by Oates and Hull's result is 44G.
Subtract from 65G goals assisted by Backstrom and Ovechkin's result is 43G.
Only 1 goal difference in much different scoring eras (3.46 vs 2.78).

 

[Voight]

That's what happens when you age.


He was still better then Ovechkin.

LOL please... Hull's last 50 goal year was at age 29. Soooo old.

Ovy scored 50 at 30 but then had 49 at 32 & is on pace to score 50 at 33.

Its not hard to realize Hull's goal scoring success at his peak was helped by Oates.

 

[ricky0034]

I don't care about adjusted goals.

Also Hull faced much harder competition to lead the league in goals. Namely 2 guys named Gretzky and Lemieux.


The league today is a joke. Who has won rockets to compete with Ovechkin?


Crosby? Great player but not exactly a goal scorer.
Stamkos? Great slapshot but this guy shouldn't of ever won rockets.
Perry? I mean really...lol

None of these guys would sniff a 'rocket'(since it didnt exist prior to 99) in the 80's or early 90's.

why do you keep saying this?

he never once competed with those guys for the goal scoring lead in any meaningful way,neither of them were even in the top 5 in any of the years he won and he wasn't even in the top 5 in any of the years they won

in addition to that Gretzky was pretty much done as a top goal scorer by the time Hull entered the league and never at any point finished better than 4th in goals while Hull was in the league(and usually much lower)

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

I'm not going to sift through it all but Hull is not getting nearly enough respect on page 1. How is Ovechkin significantly better? He had 228 goals in a 3 year span, while playing with Oates. Yea I'll take that.

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

LOL please... Hull's last 50 goal year was at age 29. Soooo old.

Ovy scored 50 at 30 but then had 49 at 32 & is on pace to score 50 at 33.

Its not hard to realize Hull's goal scoring success at his peak was helped by Oates.

What point are you trying to make? Haha.

 

[BM14]

Hull and Oates.

Oates for Craig Janney was the first big trade I remember as a kid.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I'm not going to sift through it all but Hull is not getting nearly enough respect on page 1. How is Ovechkin significantly better? He had 228 goals in a 3 year span, while playing with Oates. Yea I'll take that.

That's great. Hull even won an MVP.

But Ovechkin won 2, and nearly a third, along with leading the NHL in PPG for all three years.

And if you compare their careers outside Hull's peak 3 seasons, there is no comparison what-so-ever. Ovechkin blows his doors off with 4 more rockets, another Hart, another Hart runner-up, a Conn Smythe, and a few more elite seasons.

 

[Voight]

What point are you trying to make? Haha.

That without Oates Hull would have never reached those heights. Hence why he didnt come close to scoring 70 before and after Oates was his linemate.

That's great. Hull even won an MVP.

But Ovechkin won 2, and nearly a third, along with leading the NHL in PPG for all three years.

And if you compare their careers outside Hull's peak 3 seasons, there is no comparison what-so-ever. Ovechkin blows his doors off with 4 more rockets, another Hart, another Hart runner-up, a Conn Smythe, and a few more elite seasons.

Not to mention his 65 goal season is highly regarded, given the era in which it was achieved.

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

That without Oates Hull would have never reached those heights. Hence why he didnt come close to scoring 70 before and after Oates was his linemate.

That Oates must have been a pretty damn good player. I guess I have to go with them.

 

[LetsGoBLUES91]

That's great. Hull even won an MVP.

But Ovechkin won 2, and nearly a third, along with leading the NHL in PPG for all three years.

And if you compare their careers outside Hull's peak 3 seasons, there is no comparison what-so-ever. Ovechkin blows his doors off with 4 more rockets, another Hart, another Hart runner-up, a Conn Smythe, and a few more elite seasons.

Those 3 years were the exact 3 years he was able to play with Oates though. The point of the thread.

 

[streitz]

why do you keep saying this?

he never once competed with those guys for the goal scoring lead in any meaningful way,neither of them were even in the top 5 in any of the years he won and he wasn't even in the top 5 in any of the years they won

in addition to that Gretzky was pretty much done as a top goal scorer by the time Hull entered the league and never at any point finished better than 4th in goals while Hull was in the league(and usually much lower)

Because Hull faced harder competition.