How much do the Leafs regret trading Connor Brown?

lawrence

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also part of them trading Connor Brown had to do with their cap situation from the Tavares signing. Brown is one of those guys who just needed top 6 position to find his game, similar to Riley Smith, Karlsson, and so for.
 
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I've missed Brown a total of 0 seconds. He is not that good. He will excel on a bad teams top 6 and will make a nice living.
 

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so you're basically saying we should have just stuck with Nikita Zaitsev and told John Tavares to kick rocks?

Should have not signed JT correct. Or told him 9 was the limmit. Z well whatever you felt like doing with him is a different issue.
 

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But could afford to pay Alex Kerfoot $3.5 million in the midst of said cap crunch.

Or if you know a cap crunch is coming don't unnecessarily add to that by signing Tavares... or better yet more like don't create a cap crunch by unnecessarily signing Tavares in the first place
People really need to cut the shit out with the Tavares signing. What team with cap space doesn't sign a #1 center?
 

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I've missed Brown a total of 0 seconds. He is not that good. He will excel on a bad teams top 6 and will make a nice living.
lol he had more goals than anyone on the leafs not named Auston Matthews... against the exact same completion... with less talent around him... and minimal power play time (only 1 of his 21 goals was on the PP).

But yeah "he is not that good". He's easily one of the leafs top 6 forwards if he was still there.

But losing guys like him, Kadri, Bozak and soon Hyman is the cost of signing a star player like Tavares.

And losing Brown is also the cost of getting rid of what used to be a liability in Zaitsev (both in terms of contract and play).

Brown has been phenomenal for the sens and Zaitsev was shockingly good this year. Lefs don't have anything to show for with that trade but it needed to be done before the Matthews and Marner contracts kicked in.

Toronto could absolutely use a player like him right now but I don't think either fan base is too mad about him succeeding in Ottawa. It's pretty easy to root for a guy like Brown
 
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People really need to cut the shit out with the Tavares signing. What team with cap space doesn't sign a #1 center?

One that already had a 1C, who was going to need to be paid soon? If Tavares wasn't from the area, do the Leafs go nuts trying to sign him, simply because he was a 1C and they had cap space? Had he been from Moscow, or Seattle, or whatever, does a team that finished 7th overall, and 2nd in GF, with a 1C who was going to get paid, need another 1C on a big ticket contract? Had Tavares already been there, been drafted by the Leafs, and they draft Matthews later, that's a little different. But to go out of your way, to bring in a guy, at a huge price, potentially because he's a home town boy, when he's not a primary need, that signing is going to be criticized if the team doesn't win. Like any move would be, but we're talking about the Leafs, and so people are going to go hard at them either way, because they're the Leafs.

Granted, pandemic, throws everything out of whack, etc, etc, but could that $11m in cap space have been spent better, or more efficiently, as opposed to on what is really a luxury player for this specific Leafs team?
 

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ITT: Leafs fans saying "not at all". In reality: the exact type of player they need and were missing.
 

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People really need to cut the shit out with the Tavares signing. What team with cap space doesn't sign a #1 center?

A team that already has a franchise #1 center and a team with a boat load of young players that are due for contracts and a team that needs to be very careful with how they manage their cap
 

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ITT: Leafs fans saying "not at all". In reality: the exact type of player they need and were missing.

Dubas literally wasted a 1st round pick to bring in only an older broken down slower version of Brown, so clearly he felt this team was missing something.
 
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Brown gets force fed top minutes to be a 35-45 point player and we're all supposed to lament this deal as some devastating loss? Come on now, who gives a damn about Connor Brown of all people? He outscored Toronto's fourth line C by 5 whole points this season.
 
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Omg lol not at all is this a joke? They got rid of zaitsev somehow totally worth.
 

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It was an unfortunate cost of dumping Zaitsev's cap hit and fixing the previous management's mistake.

He had stone hands for a large portion of his tenure on the Leafs, but a lot of that was usage being 3rd/4th line based on forward depth. He was an excellent scorer in the AHL, so it's not a big surprise how well he's doing.

Honestly, the general sentiment I see is that he is still well liked by Toronto fans and there's only happiness that he's doing well for himself and Ottawa.
Zaitsev has become a useful 2nd pairing D man on Ottawa, he was mis-used on Toronto because he is not a top pairing D man. He was bad at that assignment. But he is a serviceable 2nd pairing D man. Just because he was miscast as a #1 pairing D man does not make him a bad fit at Zaitsev's current cap hit which is only 4.5M at 6.1% of the cap when negotiated, which would today would make him just the 4th highest cap hit on the Leafs. The narrative that his cap hit is bad is false, he wanted out I surmise because he didn't want to play for Babcock. Dubas got fleeced, because he traded for Ceci, a worse player for the Leafs, and the kicker they also gave up a stud depth player like Connor Brown that could move up and down the line up. He scored 20 goals as rookie and was buried deep in the line up. When Ottawa gave him the chance, he more than lived up to his discount contract that Lamoriello negotiated at just 2.1M per. There is no way this was a good deal for the Leafs, and there is no way anyone would claim he would not have been better than any of the bottom 6 the Leafs iced these playoffs.
 

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Connor Brown was Ottawa’s best forward throughout the season, definitely grew into a leader for Ottawa and a legit top-6 scorer. He’s now leading the world championships in points and is a leader on that team

A guy like Brown is exactly what the Leafs could’ve used in the playoffs for better secondary scoring. Instead they traded him off with Zaitsev who has been solid in Ottawa also to get some cap space. The Leafs wound up replacing Brown with Kerfoot who has been disappointing in his tenure as a Leaf.

How much do the Leafs regret trading Connor Brown?

I feel like people don't even fundamentally understand the Leaf issues, especially with regards to playoff time.

We have lots of secondary scoring and goals all over the lineup from everyone except our top guys. Adding Connor Brown doesn't help us with the issue of our best players not being our best players
 

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Brown gets force fed top minutes to be a 35-45 point player and we're all supposed to lament this deal as some devastating loss? Come on now, who gives a damn about Connor Brown of all people? He outscored Toronto's fourth line C by 5 whole points this season.

And Hyman gets force fed top minutes with actual elite players and the Leafs are probably going to give him $5 million per year
 

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I feel like people don't even fundamentally understand the Leaf issues, especially with regards to playoff time.

We have lots of secondary scoring and goals all over the lineup from everyone except our top guys. Adding Connor Brown doesn't help us with the issue of our best players not being our best players

That's funny, I still think it was the supporting cast that ultimately failed.

It's not just about production but about energy and intensity.

You can't replace the core so you'll need to find a way to change some of the interchangeable parts, whether it's via trade, FA or through the Marlies.

Even Tampa won a game where none of their big guns scored.
 
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