balddog66 said:Am I the only person who thinks the Rangers are way too high?
I mean prospect for prospect I didn't think they were that much better off than the leafs...at least the leafs a little depth...both have the same potential for impact players...?
nomorekids said:agreed. i'd take nashville's prospects over either of those teams, personally..but on the whole...the list looks good. i also thought the Rangers have really built up their prospect pool through wise trades over the past year, and deserve to be where they are.
Enoch said:Nashville at no. 6 is definitely not too high. We have one of the best prospect cores bar none. In fact, I think a case could be made for flip flopping us with either Montreal or Edmonton depending on your perspective.
Exactly, except just switch that with Lehtonen.Chimaera said:The top 50 list is easy.
Put Ovechkin up there and fill in the rest.
Pepper said:No offense but I simply can't see you being able to give an objective analysis of Preds prospects vs. prospects of other teams. Too much homerism involved, strictly IMHO of course.
Goaltending quality pretty low, depth average. Lassila looks ok but he will never be a true no.1 goalie in the NHL. Finley most likely won't reach his potential.
Defense is very solid, no question but after Suter there's no 1st/2nd pairing d-men on the horizon, Weber isn't worth 7B IMHO, 6C would be closer. The fact that you have Niskala 4th tells a lot, Niskala has career euroleaguer (albeit a good one) written all over him. Oh and there's no way he's a 6.5B, even 6C is probably too much.
Center has no quality and no depth, Setzinger will never make it to NHL either (lack of size & skills) and if he's your no.1 center prospect, you're in trouble. Seriously.
Of wingers only Radulov and Shishkanov have top6 potential and the former is unlikely at best to reach that potential (just look at his brother). Upshall has career 3rd liner (good one though) written all over him, 15g 20a potential. The rest are, well, nothing to write home about. I'd suprised to see more than 2 of those ever make it to NHL.
If only it were that easy.....Chimaera said:The top 50 list is easy.
Put Ovechkin up there and fill in the rest.
Yes, which is why that would be considered a negative - they're not much better than most teams in that regard.DoobieDoobieDo said:Also my only big chief complaint again lies with Atlanta...
Their negatives is that they have a lot of safe bet forwards, but doesn't everyone?
flyers guy said:Exactly, except just switch that with Lehtonen.
nomorekids said:I pride myself on looking at things objectively..but I happen to disagree with much of what you're saying. For example...you're basing Radulov's chances of success on his brother...
nomorekids said:And stating that Niskala will never come to North America..when Poile specifically said that he would have had a good chance at making the team THIS YEAR, if not for the lockout?
nomorekids said:Or that Weber, someone that a lot of people(along with Klein) would have gone in the first round in most other years, and will be on the Canadian WJC team next year, after being named to the all-memorial cup team? It just seems like you're doing a lot of guessing.
nomorekids said:Finley won't reach his potential? Why not? Last year was the first time he was given a real chance at starting, and he was rock-solid...and he's still only 23, very young in goaltender terms. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, though I feel more comfortable in my assessments, being more familiar with a lot of these guys than you are, most likely.
Kaiped Krusader said:Yes, which is why that would be considered a negative - they're not much better than most teams in that regard.
Pepper said:No offense but I simply can't see you being able to give an objective analysis of Preds prospects vs. prospects of other teams. Too much homerism involved, strictly IMHO of course.
Goaltending quality pretty low, depth average. Lassila looks ok but he will never be a true no.1 goalie in the NHL. Finley most likely won't reach his potential.
Defense is very solid, no question but after Suter there's no 1st/2nd pairing d-men on the horizon, Weber isn't worth 7B IMHO, 6C would be closer. The fact that you have Niskala 4th tells a lot, Niskala has career euroleaguer (albeit a good one) written all over him. Oh and there's no way he's a 6.5B, even 6C is probably too much.
Center has no quality and no depth, Setzinger will never make it to NHL either (lack of size & skills) and if he's your no.1 center prospect, you're in trouble. Seriously.
Of wingers only Radulov and Shishkanov have top6 potential and the former is unlikely at best to reach that potential (just look at his brother). Upshall has career 3rd liner (good one though) written all over him, 15g 20a potential. The rest are, well, nothing to write home about. I'd suprised to see more than 2 of those ever make it to NHL.
s7ark said:but Edmonton has top end talent on offense that Nashville doesn't
Enoch said:OTOH, Nashville actually does have quite a bit of top-end offensive talent. Radulov, Glazachev, Shishkanov, along with Upshall are all very impressive offensive prospects. Throw that in with Suter, Klein, Stehlik, and Weber on defense, with a few overagers in Kulyash (tearing his league up right now...) and Niskala. Along with a goaltending duo of Finley and Lassila....And a case could be made for us leapfrogging Montreal and Edmonton. I'm not saying they should be, as each of those teams have extremely impressive prospect pools. However, it isn't a stretch, and depending on a person's perspective....its a very reasonable claim.
USC Trojans said:Its pretty obvious that this list is based heavily on depth...and the Oilers have great depth in every position. Nashville wins hands down in terms of defensive depth although the Oilers ain't too shabby either. In terms of forwards, this is where Edmonton really comes out ahead...
Shishkanov, Radulov, Upshall, and perhaps Glazachev
vs.
Schremp, Pouliot, Niinimaki, Rita, Mikhnov, Salmelainen...and that's not including wildcards like Reddox, St. Pierre, Brodziak, Stortini, etc.
As for goaltending, I think the Oilers have better quality depth with two pretty good goalies in JDD and DD. Finley is the only quality goalie in Nashville's system. I think I sound a bit too much like a homer here, but if you actually go to the Oiler's page, you'll see a lot of 7's and 7.5's in our prospect list.
Flamin C Arena said:I actually read that Schremp (yes he of the 25th draft position) received a 9C on his rating. That boggles my mind purely based upon the fact that I don't think he will be a bonafide #1 center in the league because he isn't a good enough player. I see Marc Savard as his upside and I would not rate a player a 9 potential if the best he was going to be was Marc Savard. People if his game was that incredible a lot of teams would have been happy to overlook his attitude and defensive problems to draft him....Kovalchuk had similar complaints when he was drafted and he went #1. He just doesn't have the package to be rated a 9 as far as potential. His top-end potential is as a #2 center who works well on the powerplay. He doesn't have the package like a guy like Malkin or Ovechkin, but he got the same 9 rating....could someone please explain
USC Trojans said:Notice the C after the 9. This is the new rating system. He has skills and the potential to be a superstar in the league but the chances of that are small and could be bumped down a couple of notches. Basically the rating says that Schremp at best will be a great #1 center and at worst a 2nd line forward.
Oh yeah, and I'd be pretty happy if he turned out to be a Marc Savard type player.
Flamin C Arena said:But At best he is going to be a Marc Savard at the NHL level. That's his potential.
USC Trojans said:Notice the C after the 9. This is the new rating system. He has skills and the potential to be a superstar in the league but the chances of that are small and could be bumped down a couple of notches. Basically the rating says that Schremp at best will be a great #1 center and at worst a 2nd line forward.
Oh yeah, and I'd be pretty happy if he turned out to be a Marc Savard type player.
But why do you think he's just as likely to not make the league as to make it?SmokeyClause said:At worst, wouldn't he be out of the league? If he was at best a great number 1 and at worst a second liner, I think he would have been taken a lot higher. He's probably a 9D. He could be a great center, but he's just as likely to be out of the league.
Seachd said:But why do you think he's just as likely to not make the league as to make it?