JFPIV
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You may view this as a cop out, but after the last year of kvetching, I'm pretty tired of all of them. I'd like to see a lot more skating and a lot less talking in the next 365.
God Bless Canada said:A few quick notes:
*Why would anyone who knows hockey respect Cherry? A Jack Adams Award, a terrific winning percentage as a coach, beloved by his players? Does that mean anything to you? He isn't as entertaining as he used to be, but he can still pick apart a game and analyse it when given the chance, and he's sort of the bastian for gritty, hard working players.
*Paul Henderson. I've never heard Henderson claim to be a Hall-of-Famer. I've had the pleasure of meeting Henderson, and I've found him to be a classy, honest, well-spoken individual, and a great story-teller. (He even makes light of his game-winning goal in Game 8). He's a little stubborn (but many people are), and the Clarke remarks were rather unfortunate, but everyone has said something stupid at least once in their lifetime (Ogopogo is right when he said that Linden's remark in the 1994-95 lockout was unfortunate) but in the case of Linden, Henderson and many others, I don't think that one stupid remark should cancel out
*Phil Esposito. Summit on Ice was a political series, especially for the Soviets. The founder of Soviet hockey was an ardent Communist, and his beliefs were reflected in how the team played and how they conducted themselves off the ice. It was a hallmark in their hockey for years. In this day and age of sports, people like Esposito are a breath of fresh air: they say it exactly as they see it, they say it articulately and with authority, even if they know a lot of people aren't going to like it. (And it's not like we've seen Espo proclaiming the virtues of Hitler or anything like that).
There are obvious choices for this: Bettman, Goodenow, Milbury, Ballard, etc. I think the name Gil Stein has to be right up there. Stein was 1,000 times worse than Bettman is. (I think I'm the only person who hasn't erased the Stein suspension from my memory). Stein's largely responsible for the albatrosses hanging around the NHL's neck that are Anaheim and Florida.
I'd put Claude Lemieux on this list. I still rate Lemieux/Draper incident as the worst I've ever seen. "Claude the Fraud" is a notorious cheap shot artist and faker of injuries. (Diving I can handle. Ray Bourque was a master at it. Claude dived, a lot, but he faked a lot of injuries). Herb Brooks called Claude "a cancer" back in 1993.
Graham James and Billy Tibbets have to be on this list - for obvious reasons.
octopi said:When a man can score like Yzerman used to, you can ask him to become a defensive forward. 10 years later, he's gone from 0 Cups to 3. Yzerman was only behind Gretzky and Lemieux in the latter part of the eighties, early nineties. And he did very nicely becoming a defensive forward. Now,Gretzky did win four Cups in Edmonton, so for that his scoring was obviously the most important thing. But what about when he left Edmonton? Somewhat of a defensive liability, wasn't he? IMHO, defense is a team responsibilty. I'm not saying everyone should be like the Devils...oh, wait, thats worked pretty well for them now, hasn't it?
God Bless Canada I'd put Claude Lemieux on this list. I still rate Lemieux/Draper incident as the worst I've ever seen. "Claude the Fraud" is a notorious cheap shot artist and faker of injuries. (Diving I can handle. Ray Bourque was a master at it. Claude dived said:I'm certainly not a Claude fan at all, but I thikn the Lemieux-Draper incident was overblown in a big way. Claude didn't line him up and drill him from behind, Draper turned late and left himself in a vulnerable spot. Far too often players rely on the refs to protect them, instead of being smart and not putting yourself ina bad bad spot.
The Hunter-Turgeon incident was much much worse IMO.
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EventHorizon said:I think Bill 'Mr. Flyers' Clement may be a bit worse.
My theory is the brain cells that held those memories were destroyed by OFF! vapors.John Flyers Fan said:Not sure what happened with Clement, but he's now much more pro-Flyers than before. For a long time he was pissed at the organization for trading him to the Caps right after the Cup wins.
DrMoses said:You do realize Gretzky was a very effective penalty killer during his prime right?
You obviously never watched him play or you'd know that. Ogo is right though, Gretzky's job isn't to play defense. Furthermore, Gretzky's job isn't to get physical and fight. The fact that other players on the Oilers fought instead of him, should not be used to slight Wayne.
One more thing, where are New Jersey's four cups?
octopi said:Ummm, I said Gretzky won 4 Cups. I said New Jersey was sucessful. The Oilers were an overall powerhouse team, and in their heyday, 5-3, 6-2 scores were common. Of course Gretzky's job wasn't to fight(I never said it was) , but noone ever touched the guy, anyone who did was beat down. Star players are always protected to an extent, but Gretzky was protected like none other. I still don't see Gretzky as much of a overall defensive/forward type player, although I will acknowledge that I did miss the first few years of his career due to being quite young at the time.
octopi said:Ummm, I said Gretzky won 4 Cups. I said New Jersey was sucessful. The Oilers were an overall powerhouse team, and in their heyday, 5-3, 6-2 scores were common. Of course Gretzky's job wasn't to fight(I never said it was) , but noone ever touched the guy, anyone who did was beat down. Star players are always protected to an extent, but Gretzky was protected like none other. I still don't see Gretzky as much of a overall defensive/forward type player, although I will acknowledge that I did miss the first few years of his career due to being quite young at the time.
Hedberg16 said:Mark Messier- He won't go away
I was suprised about Eagleson as well, I mentioned him as well.Malefic74 said:I am stunned to get through 3 pages on this thread and not one mention of the most disgusting specimen of human life from the world of hockey:
Mr. Alan Eagleson
He screwed countless players (including Hall-of-Famers) out of their pensions and embezzelled who knows how much money from other players. He organized the Summit Series as a benefit for the NHLPA Pensions (as a result eliminating WHA players like Bobby Hull from the series) but the pension fund collected pennies while all the other profits "disappeared." Bob Goodenow is inline for the papcy compared to that clown.
Clarence Campbell
Almost single-handedly responsible for the Richard Riots. First he hands down a ludicrously heavy suspension on the Rocket, then insists on going to the game at the Forum and arriving late so that everyone sees him go to his seat.
Jack Adams
As GM of the Red Wings he was known for trading players purely out of spite in petty personality conflicts. The most famous incident of course being the trading away of Ted Lindsay to Chicago after Lindsay was instrumental in forming the NHLPA.
Peter Pocklington
Even leaving aside from trading Gretzky the way he did, the man tried to put his father's name on the Stanley Cup. Not to mention the strikes and lockouts at other business' in Edmonton.
I would also like to apply for membership in the I Hate Gil Stein club for reasons listed above by other posters.
Your post wasn't there when I stepped up to the soapbox.c-carp said:I was suprised about Eagleson as well, I mentioned him as well.
Great points Bro.Malefic74 said:Your post wasn't there when I stepped up to the soapbox.
I think it's the suits who have done more damage to the game than any player ever has or could (despite the best efforts of Mssrs. McSorley and Bertuzzi) I can dislike the way a certain player may play the game, but I can't begrudge him doing what it takes to play in the NHL.
The rampant cronyism, nepotism and occasional outright criminality in the boardrooms far exceeds the worst I've ever seen on the ice. Not only in the NHL but right down through junior and into minor hockey as well. We probably lose more young players to disillusionment than injury.