Karl Eriksson
Boring!
Jagr should also at least be an option.
Yeah, Crosby third best penguin of all time.
Jagr should also at least be an option.
Yeah, Crosby third best penguin of all time.
Pretty sure the 10 listed are the Top 10 according to the HOH poll from a couple years ago - don't think the names were pulled randomly.
Why include a goaltender in a poll about Crosby? I'd comfortably say that 100% of fans would say Roy and Hasek are both in the Top 4 of goalies of all time, and 100% of non-biased Penguins fans would agree that Crosby is outside the Top 4 of forwards so by that logic, Roy>Crosby
Who are the four forwards?
We don't seriously think Howe was a "better" player than Crosby right? Is he a "greater" player? Probably. But it terms of being better at the sport of hockey? No.
All the players on the list are CanadianI think Ovechkin deserves to be in this poll. Also why is Roy there over Hasek? Hasek was superior.
Voted for the big 4.
Ah, that makes sense for why it's such a terrible list. The nutty little cabal in the history forum has some outlandish opinions. One of their highly respected regulars thinks Getzlaf has been a better player than Ovechkin.
Another highly respected history forum regular had Wayne Gretzky ranked 7th all time.
It depends how you look at it. I think Center's are more likely to accumulate point's in bunches so even though Gretzky and Lemieux are obvious choices i'd lean towards including some wingers in the top 4. Richard (14 straight 1st or 2nd All-Star selections) Ovechkin (More Pearson wins, More Hart wins, way more Richard wins and total goals than Crosby). Then there's Jagr who was the most dominant player of the 90's/2000's including the dead puck era though he never led the league in goals. And then there's Gordie Howe who was a 21 time all star and 6 time Hart trophy winner.
So basically i'd choose the 2 best centers, the best right wing and the best left wing. Crosby has missed too much time in his career IMO.
Using your metrics:
He has played more games than Mario. If he plays literally 50 more games in his career at some key times, he has 3 more Art Rosses/Harts/Lindsays.
He has more Hart wins than Jagr and Richard.
He has as many Lindsays as OV and barely lost a Hart to OV due to a slapshot to the face.
Comparing All Star selections from a six team league to a thirty team league makes no sense. are meaningless
Crosby was objectively better than OV in many of OV's seasons he won the Richard based on Hart voting
Why include a goaltender in a poll about Crosby? I'd comfortably say that 100% of fans would say Roy and Hasek are both in the Top 4 of goalies of all time, and 100% of non-biased Penguins fans would agree that Crosby is outside the Top 4 of forwards so by that logic, Roy>Crosby
I think the point would be that there is no argument to be made that makes Crosby a better player than Gretzky or Lemieux. Ovechkin is the best LW and best goal-scorer EVER. And 1 of either Jagr, Howe or Richard is the best RW of all-time. Crosby is a fantastic player but he's not in the Top 4 for me.
So by that same logic, one of Roy and Hasek is a top 4 player of all time?
Seems strange to pick Wayne and Mario over Crosby using different metrics than ones you would apply to pick a winger over Crosby.
So i'm wrong for picking the best wingers of all time over the 3rd or 4th best center of all time?