Hitting Girls

[MG91]

Don't hit girls - just let them score.

And they'll let you score


sooo cheezy

 

[ObnoxiousPensFan*]

In a tournament game this kid elbowed one of our girls in the face and crunched her into the boards hurting her. Our captain went over and beat the **** out of him. Our whole team was pissed. And she was crying and everything. He called her a wuss. And one of my teammates tried to ring him by the neck on the ice.

My question is. I know they sign up for hockey. But should guys take it easy? Im not saying guys are stronger or are better or anything. Im just saying cause my whole team and most of my league takes offence to that kind of thing and we just dont hit the girls. We might rub them out.

But yeah, any opinions?

im against it doing evals for roller hockey when i was in high school some stupid freshman took a run at this one girl i was playing on a line with and i throw all 5'5 150 lbs of me into a monster hit on him in the corner we push and shove then i challenge him clocked him in the temple, he turtles i pound him in the back of the head for about a minute i got the roster spot as a 3rd/4th liner/6th d man being a pest is what im best at when i play hockey

 

[horus88]

I'll post my opinion and not address any others; while this is in theory a very interesting thread and quite clearly one of the biggest issues in many other sports than just hockey, this thread has been full of liars and snide, childish remarks. Not really looking for infractions right now, so I'll avoid discussion here.

This issue is strange for sure. In a society where women strive for equality, it seems some do not know what to do with it once it arrives. The pure fact is that they are not forced to sign up into a male-dominated, full-contact league; they made the choice themselves. This is the fundamental fact that nobody here can avoid.

However, the idea of equality is turning into counter-equality in events like this. Avoiding the stories of posters in this thread being the knight in shining armour (which I'm going to assume never actually happened) it does raise a problem with sexual harassment on the ice (with unwelcome touching, etc). There is clearly no way to win; as a girl you will either be beaten on (the alpha male effect, showing dominance) or cushioned as nobody wants to be the one who body-checks the girl.

So what do you do? It's difficult to really treat them as neutral when there is so much stigma attached to something simple as girls playing with boys.

 

[Ti-girl]

I agree that most of this thread is full of bull****ters and plain out liars.

But anyway, like I said before.

If she's on the ice, play her like every other player.

I was playing in a tournament last weekend and got nailed about a foot from the boards. Seperated my shoulder and tore my labrum.

Was I upset? Sure. Was it a dirty play? Yes. Did the guy get suspended? You bet.

Was it because I was a girl. No.

It signed my name as Jesse and had my hair pulled up.

Big deal, **** happens. Wipe your ass and move on.

 

[horus88]

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What you suggest though (in terms of playing her like every other player) is easier said than done, and (assuming at least one of the stories in this thread is correct) girls in male-dominated hockey get a rough deal.

 

[Phoenix]

I'll post my opinion and not address any others; while this is in theory a very interesting thread and quite clearly one of the biggest issues in many other sports than just hockey, this thread has been full of liars and snide, childish remarks. Not really looking for infractions right now, so I'll avoid discussion here.

This issue is strange for sure. In a society where women strive for equality, it seems some do not know what to do with it once it arrives. The pure fact is that they are not forced to sign up into a male-dominated, full-contact league; they made the choice themselves. This is the fundamental fact that nobody here can avoid.

However, the idea of equality is turning into counter-equality in events like this. Avoiding the stories of posters in this thread being the knight in shining armour (which I'm going to assume never actually happened) it does raise a problem with sexual harassment on the ice (with unwelcome touching, etc). There is clearly no way to win; as a girl you will either be beaten on (the alpha male effect, showing dominance) or cushioned as nobody wants to be the one who body-checks the girl.

So what do you do? It's difficult to really treat them as neutral when there is so much stigma attached to something simple as girls playing with boys.

Time will change that my friend. But yes, there's an old mindset that struggles against a new one. After all, there was a time when it was unthinkable for a woman to be competing in track and field in the olympics too.

 

[AntonFromAppState]

Ha this is kinda funny cause my girlfriend gets upset if I don't hit her while we are playing.

 

[The n00b King]

The ideologically charged question of what counts as daily activity, as experience, can be approached by exploiting the cyborg image. Feminists have recently claimed that women are given to dailiness, that women more than men somehow sustain daily life, and so have a privileged epistemo-logical position potentially. There is a compelling aspect to this claim, one that makes visible unvalued female activity and names it as the ground of life.

But the ground of life? What about all the ignorance of women, all the exclusions and failures of knowledge and skill? What about men's access to daily competence, to knowing how to build things, to take them apart, to play? What about other embodiments? Cyborg gender is a local possibility taking a global vengeance. Race, gender, and capital require a cyborg theory of wholes and parts. There is no drive in cyborgs to produce total theory, but there is an intimate experience of boundaries, their construction and deconstruction. There is a myth system waiting to become a political language to ground one way of looking at science and technology and challenging the informatics of domination-- in order to act potently.

Cyborg imagery can help express two crucial arguments in this essay: first, the production of universal, totalizing theory is a major mistake that misses most of reality, probably always, but certainly now; and second, taking responsibility for the social relations of science and technology means refusing an anti-science metaphysics, a demonology of technology, and so means embracing the skilful task of reconstructing the boundaries of daily life, in partial connection with others, in communication with all of our parts. It is not just that science and technology are possible means of great human satisfaction, as well as a matrix of complex dominations. Cyborg imagery can suggest a way out of the maze of dualisms in which we have explained our bodies and our tools to ourselves. This is a dream not of a common language, but of a powerful infidel heteroglossia. It is an imagination of a feminist speaking in tongues to strike fear into the circuits of the supersavers of the new right. It means both building and destroying machines, identities, categories, relationships, space stories. Though both are bound in the spiral dance, I would rather be a cyborg than a goddess.

Donna Haraway, "A Cyborg Manifesto: Science, Technology, and Socialist-Feminism in the Late Twentieth Century,"

 

[horus88]

Time will change that my friend. But yes, there's an old mindset that struggles against a new one. After all, there was a time when it was unthinkable for a woman to be competing in track and field in the olympics too.

Of course, but how much time? Hundreds more years? I say this because of black slavery and discrimination; that discrimination continues today, despite the best efforts of certain pioneering figures. Where one person is singled-out for their creed, another is ostracised for their gender. The two are almost identical. Racial comments are still widely used as a form of insult of their less-than-decorated history; I should hope I don't need to remind any of you which ones they are.

The drive for equality has been going on for a while as well. Think back to the Suffragettes, and fighting for their right to vote. I really don't believe it's as cut-and-dry as the pure fact that it is a physical sport (women are as capable as men at something non-extreme as hockey) but it's still an ugly, underlying problem that has reached back centuries.

In my opinion, it's not based on hockey prowess at all.

 

[FissionFire]

Ha this is kinda funny cause my girlfriend gets upset if I don't hit her while we are playing.

Keep your bedroom antics to yourself pal!

 

[Ti-girl]

What you suggest though (in terms of playing her like every other player) is easier said than done, and (assuming at least one of the stories in this thread is correct) girls in male-dominated hockey get a rough deal.

Why?

Just because we don't have dicks and don't pee standing up?

 

[horus88]

Why?

Just because we don't have dicks and don't pee standing up?

No, because the ones that DO pee standing up are immature about the idea of inter-gender sports.

 

[yotesrock]

being a girl and if I choose to play hockey, I DO NOT want to be treated any diffrent than they would a guy, it was my choice, so do as you please, otherwise girls should stay OUT of hockey, if they can't take the hard stuff

 

[Balmer15]

Girls deserve the respect of getting checked, not just bumped off the puck, or poke checked. In my in house league it's non-contact tho, and after speaking to some girls about it they'd rather play full contact. The league is u14/u16 and I'm a larger player (6'3 in socks, and 210lbs) so i wouldn't play rough against any of the younger players, as I'd get a penalty as they are soooo small. But there is one guy who is my height, but slightly stronger so i don't get a penalty then. There is one girl who can bump most guys off the puck (as it's non-contact) and I would suppose could throw a pretty mean check if she wanted.

In my inline league, there is a ladies team. I don't like playing against them as they get too not called. For instance I was battling against one along the boards for the puck and my stick hit her skate. the ref was standing RIGHT beside us, and shortly after the whistle was blown for a water bottle dropping on the court. After the whistle I was kicked, and told the ref but he 'didn't see' all it did was fire up the game for both sides-everyone saw it. They are also the dirtiest team in the league as they know they get away with it, hooking for 30 feet past 2 refs and whatnot. I hate playing them, but it's still hockey. Their goalie was one of the best in the ASSOCIATION too, any age but left for ice hockey.

Girls can play hockey, in my ice experience all the girls give what they take, but in inline they get far too much (no calls etc) for slashing hooking etc, which should be called. Also one of the ladies team players played for my team last season, then moved to go to uni so plays there no, she was one of the best players on the team and played hard every practice and shift.

 

[Phoenix]

Of course, but how much time? Hundreds more years?

No not really. When you think about it, the change that has happened over the last 30 years even has been quite dramatic in comparison to the last couple hundred years. Then its also regional.

I think it depends on females standing up to get what they want; ie. not letting others decide your life for you. Like anything in general, if you wait for someone to hand you what you want on a silver platter, it will never happen.

But females playing tough sports is nothing new. If you go back hundreds of years, you can find cultures where females went to war etc. I'm no archeologist, but prior to the rise of monotheistic (and male-dominated) religion in particular you will find evidence of this.

 

[johnunit]

Why?

Just because we don't have dicks and don't pee standing up?

the differences clearly go beyond that socially and physically. Just like you have a different set of thoughts going through your head about men versus women, we have it too. Men relate to women differently than they do to other men, in almost every aspect of life. The trouble is not doing that in hockey, and knowing just how much you can treat them like a man, and conversely how much you should have to "Feminize" the generally atmosphere of the sport to make it more comfortable for the women, vs. leaving it with a masculin atmosphere for the benefit of the men involved.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

I would. Nothing screws with a guys head and throws him off his game more than false homosexuality. Some of the guys are just too afraid to come within 5 feet of you after that. Male homophobia is hilarious and can be a very effective way to mess with a guy. Pretty much if being an obnoxious jerk and making a sexual comment will throw my opponent, male or female, off their game and give me an edge I'll be doing it. I do whatever it takes, short of trying to hurt people, to win. Off the ice, I'm nothing like the way I am on it. I'd never do something like that anywhere else. Once the games on, the gloves come off.

You have to do it in a really creepy Mr. Rogers kind of tone.

"Hey... hey. I like your helmet, it's cute." I watched my buddy Nick who's about 5 inches and 60 pounds smaller than me do it to someone, staring him directly in the eye, inching closer and closer to him for the faceoff. I can honestly say, i've never seen someone more scared than that guy at that moment.

 

[daveskirtun]

First off, I'd like to say that everytime I play with women in ice/roller/street hockey, they all decide to play defense and just stand there, not making any plays, and we as men are expected to let them off easy.

Well, last year around this time, I was in a situation where my team was down by one goal, and this one girl was on defense. I dumped the puck in to get a forecheck going, and she walked very slowly to retrieve it. She had possession of the puck with her back to me, taking her time. I stood about 9 or so feet behind her to let her make the play, but after 5 seconds of her wasting time, I ran her into the boards as hard as I could out of frustration.

I felt bad after doing it and apologized to her, but I would probably do it again.

 

[LilWinger11]

being a girl and if I choose to play hockey, I DO NOT want to be treated any diffrent than they would a guy, it was my choice, so do as you please, otherwise girls should stay OUT of hockey, if they can't take the hard stuff

+1. I assume in most places there's a non-contact option for girls/women who don't want the hitting. If they sign up for a contact league, assume they want to be played like everyone else.

 

[Nikita Filatov*]

I'm a bit late for this, but If the girls sign up for anythinf above PW hockey, they should expect to be hit.

I was watching a game one time, a girl gets hit, as clean as possible, and falls. The refs calls the kid for a game misconduct. IMO it's BS that girls shouldn't be hit. It takes the Male players (the ones who hit) off of their game and gives the girl the advantage...which is unfair/

 

[Ti-girl]

Will this thread ever die?

 

[Analyzer*]

Will this thread ever die?

Doesn't seem like it.

And society has it so hitting girls is wrong, so guys, on the ice still have that same principle an don't want to hit a girl.

 

[Leroux 66]

I play High School and we've had 2 maybe 3 girls in the league since my freshman year (i'm about to be a senior). One of the girls in the league played on my team, and is probably the smallest player in the league at like 5'3 110lbs., she took alot of hits the past three years, but the only time me or my teammates objected was when the hit was dirty, ie. hits from behind, etc. My sophomore year she scored her only goal and point of the year just as she was being drilled from behind by one of the dirtiest players in the league, who plays on the dirtiest team. Our assistant captain, who had been suspended the year before for six games for fighting, which was garbage, on his next shift knocked the kid silly with a hit coming across the middle of the ice, he missed about a period and everytime the kid was out there against our team the rest of the year, he had a bullseye on his back, and in our final meeting with his team, the girl he drilled actually took him down battling in the corner for the puck, which was hilarious.

 

[deanosaur]

I play High School and we've had 2 maybe 3 girls in the league since my freshman year (i'm about to be a senior). One of the girls in the league played on my team, and is probably the smallest player in the league at like 5'3 110lbs., she took alot of hits the past three years, but the only time me or my teammates objected was when the hit was dirty, ie. hits from behind, etc. My sophomore year she scored her only goal and point of the year just as she was being drilled from behind by one of the dirtiest players in the league, who plays on the dirtiest team. Our assistant captain, who had been suspended the year before for six games for fighting, which was garbage, on his next shift knocked the kid silly with a hit coming across the middle of the ice, he missed about a period and everytime the kid was out there against our team the rest of the year, he had a bullseye on his back, and in our final meeting with his team, the girl he drilled actually took him down battling in the corner for the puck, which was hilarious.

This sounds exactly like the team in Manitoba HS.
Just out of curiosity, how does a 5'3 girl make your team? I mean she has to be pretty damn good in this case.

 

[OilerNut*]

First off, I'd like to say that everytime I play with women in ice/roller/street hockey, they all decide to play defense and just stand there, not making any plays, and we as men are expected to let them off easy.

Well, last year around this time, I was in a situation where my team was down by one goal, and this one girl was on defense. I dumped the puck in to get a forecheck going, and she walked very slowly to retrieve it. She had possession of the puck with her back to me, taking her time. I stood about 9 or so feet behind her to let her make the play, but after 5 seconds of her wasting time, I ran her into the boards as hard as I could out of frustration.

I felt bad after doing it and apologized to her, but I would probably do it again.

Hitting someone from behind into the boards is never cool.