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Well, whatever the decision is, it needs to be made soon to give managers time to make some roster changes before the draft.
When do we have to set our keepers, I will just be excited to have a more normal season.
Hard to tell things about what I am building this year. I have traded for a few assets these last few years and I am building out. Don't mind the 8 keepers and 3 prospects, but I agree with @Bench 's point in terms of the other league I play we just have four keepers. I do actually find this league way more engaged than that one, but I think this board helps. Probably my biggest disadvantage joining the league is the caliber of goalies I just don't have. Fewer keepers usually makes that position more balanced across a league.
i don't mind that, but my gripe the whole time is at least give managers a proper heads up before making changes like this. this isn't the first time this has happened and its getting rather annoying.
Honestly, what sucks a lot of fun out of it for me is the league not reporting starters/injuries until 5 minutes before game time. I've missed out on a lot of points at times because I don't have the time to hover around yahoo to make every last minute lineup adjustment.
Does anyone else use the Armchair GM thing at Capfriendly? I use it to get an easy visual on putting together the wings, where guys fit, etc. It's fun. I think that's the real appeal of shrinking the keepers, at least it is for me. It's less about doing better in the league and more that it's just fun putting different teams together and this is an avenue of seeing how it would do and I know it's probably not what others find interesting/fun in a league like this.
I get what you're saying, I really do, but there will always be bottom dwellers. When does the "evening out process" end. I can't remember a year where the rules didn't change in this league and thats not good when teams are sprung with new rules after they've built their roster under a certain set of different rules at the time. If lowering the keepers is what people want so be it, but god damnit make it a number where its not going to change again. Also, managers who are not engaged need to leave, period. Doesn't matter if their team is shit or not. If they aren't going to take the time to push 1 button a week then they don't need to be playing in this league. No amount of rule changes is going to change players commitment to a free league like this.This is a surprise for me, too. I'm sorry it's frustrating, but we've had expansion and now contraction. None of those things were accounted for under the original rules. Do you really think I'd sell off my 1st round pick if I knew the likes of Vasilevskiy was going back into the draft?
When we first started expansion, I fought against folks because they didn't want to drop from 10 keepers. We got to 8. That's still a high number for most keeper leagues. We're now 3 years in and the data shows if you started high year 1, you're probably still ending high. With more data over this timeline, I'm suggesting new changes to account for that.
Parity needs to be addressed. I've finished 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in points the last 3 years. I'm one of the teams at the top. And every single change I've recommended has worked against me, yet I still believe it's the right thing to do.
I'm not asking others to do anything that doesn't hurt my team, too. For me, the league will be more fun if the teams unable to raise their standing are actually competitive - not in several years - but next year.
The teams struggling don't have 8 great keepers. And the idea that they'll obtain them due to the 4 contracting teams is a bit disingenuous, because the great teams will be adding nearly as good talent on top of what they already have.
Most leagues operate with 4 to 5 keepers in a 10 team league. This is because most leagues are defined by the top 50 players.
I think it's important for long-term health that there is meaning to the draft each year - which has also been a complaint I've heard from multiple people.
I get what you're saying, I really do, but there will always be bottom dwellers. When does the "evening out process" end. I can't remember a year where the rules didn't change in this league and thats not good when teams are sprung with new rules after they've built their roster under a certain set of different rules at the time. If lowering the keepers is what people want so be it, but god damnit make it a number where its not going to change again. Also, managers who are not engaged need to leave, period. Doesn't matter if their team is shit or not. If they aren't going to take the time to push 1 button a week then they don't need to be playing in this league. No amount of rule changes is going to change players commitment to a free league like this.
I mentioned the group being a bit trade averse [...]
fear of rule changes might have something to do with it. along with people not being engaged.Movement decreased dramatically after the first season. We had 4 trades all year, 2 of them were mine, and one of them is because Sparty was a bro and took pity on me for messing up my keeper selection of Blackwood. So 3 real trades.
Year 1 had 26 recorded trades.
I vote to keep the keepers the same (at least for this upcoming year) for the same reason I voted for it last time. I, like others, made moves throughout the season with the amount of keepers in mind. Going forward, we need to come to conclusions about rule changes well ahead of time so teams don't get screwed for the way they planned their roster thinking the same rules would apply.
All of this is fair but in the 3 years the teams that started good have stayed good and the struggling teams are still struggling. In order to boost engagement for everyone and not promise fun in 3 more years, I'm willing to reduce my own cache of players and even things out.
If you aren't, that's fine, but I'm offering my own version of a sacrifice and compromise to help make it more fun for others that have been chilling at the bottom since the beginning.
Your team was one of the better performing teams before you took over, I just want to put that into perspective.
What I'm proposing is really bad for me, especially since I traded away a 1st in a draft that will have the best talent in it in the last 3 years.
fear of rule changes might have something to do with it.
Or... rather than "no matter what" we create systems where you can keep your main core of great players for years and years, but those who are behind any given year can bounce back really quickly.
When do we have to set our keepers, I will just be excited to have a more normal season.
Hard to tell things about what I am building this year. I have traded for a few assets these last few years and I am building out. Don't mind the 8 keepers and 3 prospects, but I agree with @Bench 's point in terms of the other league I play we just have four keepers. I do actually find this league way more engaged than that one, but I think this board helps. Probably my biggest disadvantage joining the league is the caliber of goalies I just don't have. Fewer keepers usually makes that position more balanced across a league. I am fine with the rules though, I knew it would take a bit of time going in to build up a team.
Does anyone else use the Armchair GM thing at Capfriendly? I use it to get an easy visual on putting together the wings, where guys fit, etc. It's fun. I think that's the real appeal of shrinking the keepers, at least it is for me. It's less about doing better in the league and more that it's just fun putting different teams together and this is an avenue of seeing how it would do and I know it's probably not what others find interesting/fun in a league like this.
Maybe splitting the difference and going with six keepers would be the way to go. I don't know. I like the idea of overturning my roster and just changing things up every once in awhile - especially since we seem a very trade-averse league.
I'm not asking others to do anything that doesn't hurt my team, too. For me, the league will be more fun if the teams unable to raise their standing are actually competitive - not in several years - but next year.
It wasn't until after the draft, this being my first year, that I realized just how crazy the scoring for goalies is in this league.
The teams struggling don't have 8 great keepers. And the idea that they'll obtain them due to the 4 contracting teams is a bit disingenuous, because the great teams will be adding nearly as good talent on top of what they already have.
Don't worry, that isn't a secret.
It's been known since year 1 and by design... Sort of.
Goalie numbers were adjusted by Eternal Sunshine so that they would be as strong as the best skaters. That's good. The downside was people harvesting 6 goalies to the point literally every single NHL goalie was on a roster.
After year 1, I suggested we cap the number of goalies you can roster to adjust for this but that was an unpopular change, as is tradition, so... Nothing happened.
I get what you're saying, I really do, but there will always be bottom dwellers. When does the "evening out process" end. I can't remember a year where the rules didn't change in this league and thats not good when teams are sprung with new rules after they've built their roster under a certain set of different rules at the time. If lowering the keepers is what people want so be it, but god damnit make it a number where its not going to change again. Also, managers who are not engaged need to leave, period. Doesn't matter if their team is shit or not. If they aren't going to take the time to push 1 button a week then they don't need to be playing in this league. No amount of rule changes is going to change players commitment to a free league like this.
I'm glad we're arguing over fantasy hockey, @Bench, and not COVID/Trump/real life stuff anyway, haha. #respect
I get that, but, eh, I'm kinda the opposite. My enjoyment of a keeper league comes from the GM perspective, building long-term. When I do redraft leagues though, I'm way more like you're describing, I zero in on roles and matchups and gravitate towards vets more than most people.
So this where I'd go back to the point about this being a keeper league. Why is it a keeper league? That's not meant to be snarky btw. Honest question. Starting to seem to me like this league is having an honest identity crisis. Doesn't seem like it knows what it is. Should we maybe have a vote as to whether it should be a keeper league at all? I personally really enjoy keeper leagues, it's why I jumped in in this case, but a keeper league that changes the rules up on a dime isn't really a keeper league. It's more like a redraft league that likes the idea of being in a committed relationship and also does a lot of coke
Sorry if you're getting the salt, but this has been a few years of me trying to look out for everyone and winning with nobody. It's just not fun, especially when some hyper focus on negatives over and over with little else to say that rest of the year.
Since I'm the unpopular voice in the room it's better for you guys if I just bail and the league can resume on without the debates. Different visions and all that. No skin of my back.
sorry if I've been one of the negatives, Bench.