HFJets STH renewal 2019

[Hollywood3]

My complaints are digital tickets, the lack of tickets or cards for everybody, no lights yet in the upper bowl, and the re-entry ban (even though I've never done it).

 

[cheswick]

There's that "5% every year" again... "I don't think it means what you think it means"

Correct me if I'm wrong but, from what I understand, this 5% increase appears to be a one time adjustment they made in 2016. Anyone still in a TPA still got a max 3% increase until they renewed for another term. After which they faced the one time 5% increase, then they were locked down to a max of 3% again for the duration of their next term. From what I understand, many people have already been paying this 5% increase if they renewed a TPA after the end of the 2015-16 season. It's actually "old" news. It just new for those last few who were protected from it (via a 3% TPA maximum) until now.

I personally benefited from this "cost avoidance" as one of the STH who signed a 5 year term before the end of the 2015-16 season. A couple of months later I would have had to pay 5% more for the same seats.

I can totally see TN doing this on purpose as a way to increase prices outside of the existing TPAs. This way the prices are higher for any new TPAs and the price goes up earlier for lower term TPA renewals. Now, how sustainable are the increases? We'll have to wait and see.

Like Spock said, they'll have to level off at some point, at least down to the actual rate of inflation.

You're wrong. They changed the maximum increase per year from 3% to 5% for contracts signed 2017 onwards. There have since been two maximum 5% increases. Those contracts that were still under the 3% maximum for a season or two, upon expiration were hit with a 7%+ increase to bring them in line with the other contracts, and they are now also subject to the maximum 5% per year.

If you're still under a 3% max contract, be prepared to get a massive hit when your contract is up.

 

[Deedog99]

You're wrong. They changed the maximum increase per year from 3% to 5% for contracts signed 2017 onwards. There have since been two maximum 5% increases. Those contracts that were still under the 3% maximum for a season or two, upon expiration were hit with a 7%+ increase to bring them in line with the other contracts, and they are now also subject to the maximum 5% per year.

If you're still under a 3% max contract, be prepared to get a massive hit when your contract is up.

Isn't that sick? Just so wheeler and Laine can make 8.5 million instead of 8.

 

[Sabadecade]

You're wrong. They changed the maximum increase per year from 3% to 5% for contracts signed 2017 onwards. There have since been two maximum 5% increases. Those contracts that were still under the 3% maximum for a season or two, upon expiration were hit with a 7%+ increase to bring them in line with the other contracts, and they are now also subject to the maximum 5% per year.

If you're still under a 3% max contract, be prepared to get a massive hit when your contract is up.

That clarifies things, however unfortunate.

Given the current difference in price for our seats and another possible 5% increase (worst case scenario), by my calculations, I figure I'm looking at a ~9% increase between 2019-20 season and 2020-21 season prices as part of a new TPA, not to mention being exposed to possible 5% increases in the future.

 

[cheswick]

That clarifies things, however unfortunate. I will prepare for the worst.

Assuming TNSE continues to increase the prices by 5%, someone who renewed for 5 years in 2016, upon expiration will see price increased by 11% between contracts to match pricing. Huge number, but at least they weren't paying the higher costs the whole time.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Gotta love that guy that snaps up all the Sunday afternoon games at the ticket draft so he can take his kids...

If only there were those who love exhibition games, or Tuesday night games in February against Ottawa.

Speaking of exhibition games, I know that they finally discounted them a little more than other games this past season. Still, it borders on fraud that they charge what they do for non-regular season games... and more importantly, non-NHL rosters. The fact that STH are forced to purchase these abominations for anything more than a donation to a food bank or something (or just enough to pay for the overhead of the game) is unjust.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Like others have said, TN also has the duty to mitigate their losses. It's up to them to find someone else to take the seats that were given up. If they find someone to take the seats in question, they can't sue for losses as they have incurred none. But they would get to keep your deposit regardless.

This could be seen as a benefit for folks who sign up to the waiting list. They could take over contracts half way through, without having to put any money down. Or, they could continue paying for the remaining seasons AND toss in the deposit before the next contract is due. TNSE would make more money on the deposits that they keep.

 

[Spock]

Like others have said, TN also has the duty to mitigate their losses. It's up to them to find someone else to take the seats that were given up. If they find someone to take the seats in question, they can't sue for losses as they have incurred none. But they would get to keep your deposit regardless.

So, if you're going to default, do it now as the wait list is shrinking and people lining up to take your seats are getting less. ***Not legal advice***

I wonder if they could argue your specific seat numbers were not taken, if they would win their case to sue you?

Is the bad PR worth the power/scare tactic? It's a good question.

 

[Spock]

Yes, it’s a contract. They have the right to sue and should sue for the amount owing. Imagine if the team started struggling and claimed ‘changes in personal financial situation’ and defaulted knowing they would just lose their deposit.

It’s a legal contract that you signed, you owe the duration of your term

Apple, meet orange.

 

[Ryan Giggs]

even when the limit was 3%... has True North ever not increased the price of season's ticket to the maximum?

 

[sting13]

even when the limit was 3%... has True North ever not increased the price of season's ticket to the maximum?

I believe just the lock out year.

 

[blues10]

You're wrong. They changed the maximum increase per year from 3% to 5% for contracts signed 2017 onwards. There have since been two maximum 5% increases. Those contracts that were still under the 3% maximum for a season or two, upon expiration were hit with a 7%+ increase to bring them in line with the other contracts, and they are now also subject to the maximum 5% per year.

If you're still under a 3% max contract, be prepared to get a massive hit when your contract is up.

The way TNSE went about doing this was downright not at all upfront. At no point did any email or communication from TNSE indicate that prices would increase more than 5% when signing a TPA this past season. It was season ticket holders that did the math that figured it out. Not a way to retain a loyal STH base in my opinion. That should have been the reward for being around since day 1 . TNSE has very much taken their STH base for granted.
The whole situation regarding bringing long term STH in line with TNSE new price points is all smoke and mirrors and the consumer is being mis lead with a higher ticket increase than TNSE lets the STH know about.

I bet most renewals that haven’t been on this thread or have done the math themselves have any clue that they have been hit by an increase over 5%.

 

[potroaster]

This sounds crazy. 5% and then a 2% top up for season ticket holders who were on the more friendly plan. Really?

Edmonton just put a zero percent increase with 15% food and beverage credit.

Chipman ain't no spring chicken. I wonder what his plan really was in the first place. Sell?

As long as we are happy spending $300 on lower deck and $150 nosebleeds, we should be fine. Correct me If I am wrong.

 

[KingBogo]

This sounds crazy. 5% and then a 2% top up for season ticket holders who were on the more friendly plan. Really?

Edmonton just put a zero percent increase with 15% food and beverage credit.

Chipman ain't no spring chicken. I wonder what his plan really was in the first place. Sell?

As long as we are happy spending $300 on lower deck and $150 nosebleeds, we should be fine. Correct me If I am wrong.

My take is TNSE doesn't mind squeezing the ST base and push out those that are not well suited for the long haul and have them replaced by those on the wait list who can cover the season ticket costs over time and also up the amount of seats in corporate hands. If Winnipeg can't handle supporting a professional sports franchise then yes Chipman has a very lucrative asset he can bring to market. It is only his ties to Winnipeg that got us back a franchise in the first place. If you were going to relocate a NHL team 99.9% of owners wouldn't choose a wholesale loving city of 800,000 on the Canadian prairies.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

My take is TNSE doesn't mind squeezing the ST base and push out those that are not well suited for the long haul and have them replaced by those on the wait list who can cover the season ticket costs over time and also up the amount of seats in corporate hands. If Winnipeg can't handle supporting a professional sports franchise then yes Chipman has a very lucrative asset he can bring to market. It is only his ties to Winnipeg that got us back a franchise in the first place. If you were going to relocate a NHL team 99.9% of owners wouldn't choose a wholesale loving city of 800,000 on the Canadian prairies.

I think that was an acceptable strategy early on, especially with the initial crop of season ticket holders, but it's been nearly 10 years.

They've lost what would be good season ticket holders people because of anti-consumer BS.

And for someone like me, who is transitioning into the workforce, whose family wanted me to take over the tickets - I've seen how TN treats their customers, so I didn't even consider taking the tickets.

I realize they need to charge at nearly the highest average ticket price in the NHL, but that doesn't mean they have carte Blanche to treat their customers like crap. it should mean the opposite.

 

[cheswick]

even when the limit was 3%... has True North ever not increased the price of season's ticket to the maximum?

The two seasons following the lockout shortened year, the increases were limited to 2%.

 

[Gm0ney]

This sounds crazy. 5% and then a 2% top up for season ticket holders who were on the more friendly plan. Really?

Edmonton just put a zero percent increase with 15% food and beverage credit.

Chipman ain't no spring chicken. I wonder what his plan really was in the first place. Sell?

As long as we are happy spending $300 on lower deck and $150 nosebleeds, we should be fine. Correct me If I am wrong.

Well the Oilers have been awful for a decade. Not just awful, but an embarrassment. I don't think the Jets would be ramping up prices at 5% per season if the team was terrible year after year.

And hey, Chipman is a relative spring chicken compared to some of the ossified prospective-corpse owners in the league!

 

[flyingjay]

My Aunt and Uncle didn't renew their P5's this year. Other than the renewal email, they didn't get a single call or email asking them if there was anything that could be done to keep them as ST holders. They felt like they were tossed aside like trash. And they were on the fence when it came to renewing...my Aunt wanted to cancel and my Uncle was leaning toward renewing.

With even a little bit of effort (maybe a slight relocation or a free hat or...something...) they probably would've been able to get them to renew for another term. But alas, there was zero point zero effort made in attempting to hold on to them. To me, that's going to be a significant problem for TN if they don't get that figured out.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

My Aunt and Uncle didn't renew their P5's this year. Other than the renewal email, they didn't get a single call or email asking them if there was anything that could be done to keep them as ST holders. They felt like they were tossed aside like trash. And they were on the fence when it came to renewing...my Aunt wanted to cancel and my Uncle was leaning toward renewing.

With even a little bit of effort (maybe a slight relocation or a free hat or...something...) they probably would've been able to get them to renew for another term. But alas, there was zero point zero effort made in attempting to hold on to them. To me, that's going to be a significant problem for TN if they don't get that figured out.

The wait list is a guarantee of little to no effort. As long as there's a lineup like lunch time at Schwartz's, they ain't gonna change that brisket recipe.

 

[Sabadecade]

Mmmm Schwartz's

 

[Sabadecade]

The two seasons following the lockout shortened year, the increases were limited to 2%.

I wonder if the increases have been the same in all price ranges across the board?

If they wanted to, they could increase some price ranges more or less than others. Of course they would still want to make sure they don't close the gap too much between price ranges as a result of doing so.

 

[han316]

My Aunt and Uncle didn't renew their P5's this year. Other than the renewal email, they didn't get a single call or email asking them if there was anything that could be done to keep them as ST holders. They felt like they were tossed aside like trash. And they were on the fence when it came to renewing...my Aunt wanted to cancel and my Uncle was leaning toward renewing.

With even a little bit of effort (maybe a slight relocation or a free hat or...something...) they probably would've been able to get them to renew for another term. But alas, there was zero point zero effort made in attempting to hold on to them. To me, that's going to be a significant problem for TN if they don't get that figured out.

I found this odd also. I didn't get a call from my rep until 2 hours before the deadline.

It's like they expected my renewal was going to be automatic.

 

[TheDeuce]

Isn't that sick? Just so wheeler and Laine can make 8.5 million instead of 8.

Since this seems to have become a general True North kvetching thread I'll add my newest smh tidbit. I'm indirectly connected with Hoosli and do some business with one of Hoosli's members. I had him on the phone a few weeks ago and mentioned how much Winnipeggers like Hoosli doing the anthems at Jets games. I asked him where they get to sit for the game after they're done performing.

Answer: outside. They choir gets escorted from the building. No comped tickets, no payment or remuneration of any kind, and they're required to return the jerseys that they wear while singing. I gotta say, that rubbed me the wrong way. When Hoosli does the anthem for the Bombers they get comped tickets for that game. Goldeyes? Katz lets them use one of the suites! Jets? Nothing. Nada. Not even a donation to a charity of their choice.

I had Hoosli sing the Liturgy for our wedding (for which I heard endless kudos) and I (quite happily) paid $300 for the privilege. I can't believe that a multi-million dollar organization offers them nothing. Payment in 'exposure' like some kind of choosy beggar wanting artwork for their MySpace page.

True story: at our wedding reception one of our guests who had been at the Church for the ceremony said that they were so impressed with Hoosli's performance that they cracked open the presentation envelope so they could add more money. Yup, Hoosli is just that good!



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[Afterburner]

Since this seems to have become a general True North kvetching thread I'll add my newest smh tidbit. I'm indirectly connected with Hoosli and do some business with one of Hoosli's members. I had him on the phone a few weeks ago and mentioned how much Winnipeggers like Hoosli doing the anthems at Jets games. I asked him where they get to sit for the game after they're done performing.

Answer: outside. They choir gets escorted from the building. No comped tickets, no payment or remuneration of any kind, and they're required to return the jerseys that they wear while singing. I gotta say, that rubbed me the wrong way. When Hoosli does the anthem for the Bombers they get comped tickets for that game. Goldeyes? Katz lets them use one of the suites! Jets? Nothing. Nada. Not even a donation to a charity of their choice.

I had Hoosli sing the Liturgy for our wedding (for which I heard endless kudos) and I (quite happily) paid $300 for the privilege. I can't believe that a multi-million dollar organization offers them nothing. Payment in 'exposure' like some kind of choosy beggar wanting artwork for their MySpace page.

True story: at our wedding reception one of our guests who had been at the Church for the ceremony said that they were so impressed with Hoosli's performance that they cracked open the presentation envelope so they could add more money. Yup, Hoosli is just that good!



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Damn, Hoosli's an option for weddings?! You make me wish I hadn't ran away to Mexico to do the deed

Also very crappy of TNSE not to do more for them. I mean, they were freaking amazing. Plus not a great way to inspire people to want to come back to sing the anthem

 

[Huffer]

Since this seems to have become a general True North kvetching thread I'll add my newest smh tidbit. I'm indirectly connected with Hoosli and do some business with one of Hoosli's members. I had him on the phone a few weeks ago and mentioned how much Winnipeggers like Hoosli doing the anthems at Jets games. I asked him where they get to sit for the game after they're done performing.

Answer: outside. They choir gets escorted from the building. No comped tickets, no payment or remuneration of any kind, and they're required to return the jerseys that they wear while singing. I gotta say, that rubbed me the wrong way. When Hoosli does the anthem for the Bombers they get comped tickets for that game. Goldeyes? Katz lets them use one of the suites! Jets? Nothing. Nada. Not even a donation to a charity of their choice.

I had Hoosli sing the Liturgy for our wedding (for which I heard endless kudos) and I (quite happily) paid $300 for the privilege. I can't believe that a multi-million dollar organization offers them nothing. Payment in 'exposure' like some kind of choosy beggar wanting artwork for their MySpace page.

True story: at our wedding reception one of our guests who had been at the Church for the ceremony said that they were so impressed with Hoosli's performance that they cracked open the presentation envelope so they could add more money. Yup, Hoosli is just that good!



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IMO, that's disgraceful on the part of TNSE.