HF Organizational Rankings/ Prospect Grades

[Afinogretzky]

For never picking in the top 10, Buffalo has a pretty solid group, especially on D.

1. Zack Kassian, RW - 7.5 B
2. Jhonas Enroth, G - 7.5 B
3. Luke Adam, C - 7.5 C
4. Joel Armia, RW - 8.0 C
5. Drew Schiestel, D - 7.0 B
6. T.J. Brennan, D - 7.5 C
7. Mark Pysyk, D - 7.5 B
8. Marcus Foligno, LW - 7.0 C
9. Brayden McNabb, D - 7.0 C
10. Marc-Andre Gragnani, D - 6.5 B

Armia's grade was obviously my opinion, and you have to think Enroth should be an 8, Luke Adam should be a B, and Gragnani should move up.

I think the next ranking will have: Enroth, Kassian, Adam, Armia, Pysyk - in that order.

 

[Sala90]

Since Lars Eller, P.K. Subban, Max Pacioretty, Yannick Weber, David Desharnais, Ryan White and Tom Pyatt are with the Habs, the prospects group isn't great.

1- Nathan Beaulieu, D, 8.0C
2- Alexei Emelin, D, 7.5C
3- Louis Leblanc, C, 7.5C
4- Jarred Tinordi, D, 7.5C
5- Danny Kristo, RW, 7.5C
6- Brendan Gallagher, RW, 7.0B
7- Aaron Palushaj, RW, 7.0C
8- Michaël Bournival, C, 7.0C
9- Alexander Avtsin, RW, 7.0B
10- Rafael Diaz, D, 7.0B
11- Morgan Ellis, D, 7.0C
12- Magnus Nygren, D, 7.0B
13- Darren Dietz, D, 7.0C
14- Brendon Nash, D, 7.0C
15- Daniel Pribyl, C, 7.0B
16- Mark MacMillan, LW, 7.0C
17- Andreas Enqvist, C, 6.5C
18- Mac Bennett, D, 6.5C
19- Gabriel Dumont, C, 6.5C
20- Mathieu Carle, D, 6.5C

 

[CanadianHockey]

Top-10

1. David Rundblad 8.0B
2. Robin Lehner 8.0B
3. Jared Cowen 8.0B
4. Nikita Filatov 8.0C
5. Jakob Silfverberg 7.5C
6. Mika Zibanejad 7.5C
7. Patrick Weircioch 7.0C
8. Matt Puempel 7.0C
9. Stefan Noesen 7.0C
10. Bobby Butler 7.0C

 

[JMcLeaf]

Top-10

1. David Rundblad 8.0B
2. Robin Lehner 8.0B
3. Jared Cowen 8.0B
4. Nikita Filatov 8.0C
5. Jakob Silfverberg 7.5C
6. Mika Zibanejad 7.5C
7. Patrick Weircioch 7.0C
8. Matt Puempel 7.0C
9. Stefan Noesen 7.0C
10. Bobby Butler 7.0C

Compared to some of the other Ottawa one's ive seen in here these seem pretty realistic. I might even rate Zibanejad a bit higher (8.0C or 7.5B). Also from what Butler has shown i'd prob rate him 7.0 B. But nice job overall .

 

[Temego]

Oilers:
Hall - 9.0B 8.5B
RNH - 9.0C 8.5C
Eberle - 8.5B 8.0B
Paajarvi - 8.5C 8.0C
Petry - 7.5B/8.0C 7.5C
Omark - 7.5B/8.0C 7.5D
Klefbom - 8.0C 7.5C
Marincin - 8.0C 7.0B
Lander - 7.0B/7.5C 7.0C
Pitlick - 7.5C 7.0C
Hartikainen - 7.5C 6.5B
Hamilton - 7.5C -
Martindale - 7.5D -
Teubert - 7.0B -
Plante- 6.5C -
Musil - 6.5B/7.0C -

Goalies:
Samu Perhonen - 8.0C 8.5D
Tyler Bunz - 7.5C/8.0D -
Frans Tuohimaa - 7.5D -
Olivier Roy - 7.0D -

These seem higher than other posters are ranking their prospects, but my frame of reference are those numbers that Hockey's Future have been using for the Oilers (each team seems to have different reference scales). The numbers there are taken with a big grain of salt (because it assumes top-end potential), and more stock is given to the letters (how likely they are to reach that potential/how far along their development they are)

That's more like it imo. You really think that Granlund and Omark/Petry are similar prospects? I'd give Granlund a 9.0D or 8.5C.

 

[YNWA14]

David Rundblad 8.5C
Nikita Filatov 8.5D-
Mika Zibanejad 8.0B
Robin Lehner 8.0B
Jared Cowen 8.0B
Matt Puempel 8.0C
Jakob Silfverberg 7.5C
Stephane Da Costa 7.5D
Shane Prince 7.5E
Stefan Noesen 7.0B
Patrick Weircioch 7.0C
Bobby Butler 7.0C

Ottawa's Ranking : Top 5

 

[Pneuma]

Brendan Smith 8.0 C
Tomas Tatar 8.0 C
Gustav Nyquist 7.5 D
Tomas Jurco 8.0 D
Teemu Pulkkinen 8.0 D
Calle Jarnkrok 7.5 C
Riley Sheahan 7.0 C
Ryan Sproul 7.0 C C
Xavier Oulette 6.5 C
Andrej Nestrasil 7.5 D

That's my guess at the Red Wings top 10 after adding in the new prospects, removing graduates, and adding a few grading changes. The only grading changes I made was knocking Tatar up to a 8.0C from a 7.5C and moving Jarnkrok up to a 7.5C. Overall, the wings have quietly amassed a pretty promising crop of forwards for the future.

Position:14th.

Good depth everywhere but Smith is the only elite prospect the Wings have which keeps them out of the top 10.

 

[McMatthews]

Your ratings on Biggs, Percy and Leivo are a bit generous, among others. Reimer has a good rookie season and he's all of a sudden a higher prospect rating than Markstrom, Rask, and Bernier?

I frankly don't care what rankings Markstrom, Rask and Bernier received.

Each one of those prospects were ranked by somebody else.

If you look at HF's player ratings system, very few of the ratings I listed are that far off.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/

10 - Generational talent -- a player for the ages, one who can do things with a puck that no other player would even contemplate doing. Very, very few players will be deserving of this rating, probably one per decade. Think Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Bobby Orr, maybe Sidney Crosby, but we'll see.

9 - Elite forward / defenseman / goaltender -- possesses the potential for greatness, a perennial All-Star throughout his career. Think Joe Sakic, Jeremy Roenick, Niklas Lidstrom, Rob Blake, Dominik Hasek, Martin Brodeur.

8 - First line forward / No. 2 defenseman / No. 1 goaltender -- players with definite skill that might be just a cut below elite status, but still possessing All-Star potential. Think Patrik Elias, Keith Tkachuk, Mattias Ohlund, Adam Foote, Sean Burke, Olaf Kolzig.

7 - Second line forward / No. 3-4 defenseman / journeyman No. 1 goaltender -- players not quite good enough to play on the top line or pairing on a regular basis, but still possessing enough talent to contribute offensively, defend with some authority, or competently play the goaltender's position for long stretches. Think Andrew Cassels, Jason Arnott, Darryl Sydor, Keith Carney, Dwayne Roloson, Jeff Hackett.

6 - Third line forward / No. 5-6 defenseman / Backup Goaltender -- generally speaking, players whose game is defensively-oriented, or whose abilities aren't quite good enough to land full-time duty on the 2nd line, top two defensive pairings, or the No. 1 goaltending position. Think Kris Draper, Stephanne Yelle, Igor Ulanov, Brad Lukowich, Jussi Markkanen, Manny Legace.

5 - Fourth line forward / No. 7 defenseman / depth goaltender -- players that populate the 4th line, will fill in for injured defensemen, or have some ability to play goal in the NHL but are mostly very good minor league goaltenders. Think of any enforcer you care to name, or any energy player you care to name, or any unlucky defensemen or goaltenders that don't quite have enough talent to crack an NHL lineup full time.

4 - Top minor league forward / defenseman / goaltender -- players unlikely to have long careers in the NHL, but will be recalled when injuries or other circumstances arise.

3 - Average minor league forward / defenseman / goaltender -- players who will in all likelihood will spend their entire careers in the minor leagues.

2 - Minor league role-player -- players who populate minor league rosters that have virtually no shot of making it to the NHL.

1 - Borderline minor league player -- players one step away from the beer leagues.

A - All but guaranteed to reach potential - 100 percent metaphysical certitude that the player will play up to his abilities as noted by his potential rating. In this case, the potential rating is multiplied by 100 percent for depth chart purposes, signaling that the player is a lock to reach his given potential.

B - Should reach potential, could drop 1 rating - likely to reach potential, but may have a hole or two in his game that will keep him from reaching his full potential. The potential rating is multiplied by 90 percent for depth chart purposes, which indicates slightly less certainty about a player’s future performance.

C - May reach potential, could drop 2 ratings - has shown some flashes, but may ultimately not have what it takes to reach his potential. The potential rating is multiplied by 80 percent for depth chart purposes to show the uncertainty of a player reaching his potential.

D - Unlikely to reach potential, could drop 3 ratings - a player who has a chance to reach his potential but is unlikely to do so. The potential rating is multiplied by 70 percent for depth chart purposes, indicating that the player's potential is extremely fluid.

F - A player possessing little potential who has a mountain to climb just to reach the outermost boundary of that potential. The potential rating is multiplied by 50 percent depth chart purposes.

In regards to Reimer's ranking, he has the ability to develop into a top notch #1 goaltender. A rating of 9 is "elite goaltender" a rating of 8 is "#1 goaltender". Reimer has the ability and has done well enough at every level (most importantly the NHL) to be given that kind of recognition. The 'B' rating states that he may drop one level to an above average journeyman goaltender (ala Craig Anderson).

I don't think the Biggs, Percy and Leivo ratings are that generous.

Biggs has the potential to become a very good 2nd line powerforward, but may drop into a role as a good 3rd/4th liner.

Percy has the potential to become a very good 2nd pairing defenceman, but may drop into a role as a #5-7 defenceman.

Leivo has the potential to become a very good 2nd line forward, but may drop into a role as a good 3rd/4th liner.

Toronto's head scout stated that Leivo has "as much upside as anyone in this draft", he was absolutely dominant against Ottawa in the playoffs. Not to go into detail, because you likely don't care and will never spend the time to read up on these prospects, but Leivo was one of the prospects touted as a potential steal in the draft and has very high upside.

I just went off the HF player rating system and I'm willing to back up each and every single rating if I have to.

Are there any others that you have an issue with?

 

[Benttheknee]

I frankly don't care what rankings Markstrom, Rask and Bernier received.

Each one of those prospects were ranked by somebody else.

If you look at HF's player ratings system, very few of the ratings I listed are that far off.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/playerprojections/





In regards to Reimer's ranking, he has the ability to develop into a top notch #1 goaltender. A rating of 9 is "elite goaltender" a rating of 8 is "#1 goaltender". Reimer has the ability and has done well enough at every level (most importantly the NHL) to be given that kind of recognition. The 'B' rating states that he may drop one level to an above average journeyman goaltender (ala Craig Anderson).

I don't think the Biggs, Percy and Leivo ratings are that generous.

Biggs has the potential to become a very good 2nd line powerforward, but may drop into a role as a good 3rd/4th liner.

Percy has the potential to become a very good 2nd pairing defenceman, but may drop into a role as a #5-7 defenceman.

Leivo has the potential to become a very good 2nd line forward, but may drop into a role as a good 3rd/4th liner.

Toronto's head scout stated that Leivo has "as much upside as anyone in this draft", he was absolutely dominant against Ottawa in the playoffs. Not to go into detail, because you likely don't care and will never spend the time to read up on these prospects, but Leivo was one of the prospects touted as a potential steal in the draft and has very high upside.

I just went off the HF player rating system and I'm willing to back up each and every single rating if I have to.

Are there any others that you have an issue with?

While I really can't complain that much about your numeric evaluations, your letter evaluations are definately suspect.

For any player rated a B, it is basically stating that they are going to be NHL regulars. In particular Reimer at 8.5B is stating he is an NHL starter, no questions asked. Percy at 7.5B is stating that he is a capable NHL defenseman, no questions asked.

I admit that I have trouble with the letter descriptions myself. Have you ever seen an A handed out? Of course not... B is reserved for guys that have proven themselves either as a highend propect, or many games of professional/NHL experience. C is for everyone, and D is for long shots.

 

[zeus3007*]

Still have a better D now and in the future than Ottawa, so the penis envy, while adorable, is futile on your end.

Grachev's failure was the most well guarded "secret" on HF. We Rangers fans did a good job holding him in high esteem while he floundered in the AHL.

Don't get too far ahead of yourself, your defense is better now, but Ottawa is loaded on the back end.

 

[eberlehall*]

David Rundblad 8.0B
Mika Zibanejad 8.0C
Robin Lehner 8.0C
Jared Cowen 8.0C
Nikita Filatov 8.0F
Matt Puempel 7.5C
Jakob Silfverberg 7.0C
Stephane Da Costa 7.0D
Shane Prince 7.0E
Stefan Noesen 6.5C
Patrick Weircioch 6.5C
Bobby Butler 6.5C

 

[zeus3007*]

Oilers:
Hall - 9.0B
RNH - 9.0C 8.5B
Eberle - 8.5B
Paajarvi - 8.5C
Petry - 7.5B/8.0C
Omark - 7.5B/8.0C 7.5C
Klefbom - 8.0C
Marincin - 8.0C
Lander - 7.0B/7.5C
Pitlick - 7.5C
Hartikainen - 7.5C
Hamilton - 7.5C
Martindale - 7.5D
Teubert - 7.0B
Plante- 6.5C
Musil - 6.5B/7.0C 7.0B

Goalies:
Samu Perhonen - 8.0C
Tyler Bunz - 7.5C/8.0D 7.5B
Frans Tuohimaa - 7.5D
Olivier Roy - 7.0D

These seem higher than other posters are ranking their prospects, but my frame of reference are those numbers that Hockey's Future have been using for the Oilers (each team seems to have different reference scales). The numbers there are taken with a big grain of salt (because it assumes top-end potential), and more stock is given to the letters (how likely they are to reach that potential/how far along their development they are)

Great rankings, but I thought I would share my opinions for discussions sake.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Florida has to be #1 with this draft, plus Schenn leaving LA

With a top 10 of...

Huberdeau
Markstrom
Gudbranson
Bjugstad
Howden
Grimaldi
Shore
Petrovic
Bengtsson
McFarland

Love a lot of these guys, but some serious questions about Gudbranson after he took a step back this year.

Not enough Sens Love.

Zibby- 8.0D
Neosen- 7.0B
Puempel- 7.5B
Prince- 7.0D
Filatov- 8.5B


1. D - David Rundblad
2. D - Jared Cowen
3. G - Robin Lehner
4. C - Mika Zibanejad
5. LW - Nikita Filatov
6. RW - Jakob Silfverberg
7. RW - Bobby Butler
8. LW - Matt Puempel
9. RW - Stefan Noesen
10. D - Patrick Wiercioch

Honorable mentions: Stephan Da Costa, Shane Prince, Andre Petersson, Mark Stone.

I'm guessing you have not seen Filatov play recently? Not sure what happened to him, but he needs some serious work, and you have way overrated him. Could be the next Chistov?

 

[nick942]

Top 10

1. Nazem Kadri 8.0B
2. James Reimer 7.5B
3. Joe Colborne 8.0C
4. Jake Gardiner 8.0C
5. Keith Aulie 7.0B
6. Tyler Biggs 7.5C
7. Stuart Percy 7.5C
8. Jesse Blacker 7.0C
9. Gregg McKegg 7.0C
10. Jussi Rynnas 7.5C

Honorable Mentions:

Sondre Olden 8.0D
Josh Leivo 7.5D
Matt Frattin 6.5B

 

[Benttheknee]

Still have a better D now and in the future than Ottawa, so the penis envy, while adorable, is futile on your end.

Grachev's failure was the most well guarded "secret" on HF. We Rangers fans did a good job holding him in high esteem while he floundered in the AHL.

So, you believe that the Rangers are in fact worthy of being ranked 7th? Your 4th best prospect got traded for a 3rd rounder. That is simply a statment of fact.

I am interested in HF being a respected resource, IMO the rankings are suspect. Filitov got traded to Ottawa for a 3rd as well. Yet he was ranks 25th best prospect.

HF is not doing as good a job as they should IMO. I still enjoy the site, but I have been questioning their results for a while, and would encourage them to be even better.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Love a lot of these guys, but some serious questions about Gudbranson after he took a step back this year.




I'm guessing you have not seen Filatov play recently? Not sure what happened to him, but he needs some serious work, and you have way overrated him. Could be the next Chistov?

How did Gudbranson take a step back this year? He's developed an offensive game.

 

[nickschultzfan]

The Wild have done a 180 in their prospect rankings. They should shoot up from where they were. They had really strong years from a lot of their top prospects, and just had a strong draft where they added Brodin, Phillips, and Lucia (not to mention Coyle by the Burns trade).

1. M. Granlund
2. C. Coyle
3. M. Scandella
4. J. Brodin
5. M. Hackett
6. J. Zucker
7. J. Larrson
8. Z. Phillips
9. C. Gillies
10. N. Prosser

Plus M. Lucia, B. Bulmer, C. Wellman, T. Cuma, J. Falk, D. Kruemper, etc.

 

[Pietraneglo222]

The Wild have done a 180 in their prospect rankings. They should shoot up from where they were. They had really strong years from a lot of their top prospects, and just had a strong draft where they added Brodin, Phillips, and Lucia (not to mention Coyle by the Burns trade).

1. M. Granlund
2. C. Coyle
3. M. Scandella
4. J. Brodin
5. M. Hackett
6. J. Zucker
7. J. Larrson
8. Z. Phillips
9. C. Gillies
10. N. Prosser

Plus M. Lucia, B. Bulmer, C. Wellman, T. Cuma, J. Falk, D. Kruemper, etc.

Yeah, that looks pretty good.

 

[Sony Eriksson*]

Not the best by any mean but Dallas has:

Jack Campbell
Philip Larsen
Alex Chiasson
Scott Glennie
Reilly Smith
Tomas Vincour
Richard Bachman
Jamie Oleksiak
Brett Ritchie

 

[Chaos]

Wow pretty weak in the prospect department. Tough times ahead for the big D

People have been saying this for years, yet we keep producing good NHL players out of later round/lesser known draft picks. We'll be just fine. And I think he was rating a few guys a little too low in terms of their number rating.

What you meant to say was 'Wow pretty weak on guys I've heard of/big names that 'fell' in the draft. Tough times ahead."

 

[McManked]

David Rundblad 8.0B
Mika Zibanejad 8.0C
Robin Lehner 8.0C
Jared Cowen 8.0C
Nikita Filatov 8.0F
Matt Puempel 7.5C
Jakob Silfverberg 7.0B
Stephane Da Costa 7.0D
Shane Prince 7.0D
Stefan Noesen 7.0C
Patrick Weircioch 7.0C
Bobby Butler 7.5D

I generally agree, except for the bottom.

I "fixed" it for you.

Noesen (based on listening to Pierre McGuire on the radio today) does in fact have top 6 potential, and Butler will never play on a 3rd line. He's a top 6 or bust. Wiercioch does have top 4 potential as well.

 

[forthewild]

For MN from this years draft

Brodin 8.0A (lets be honest his game is ready he needs more muscle, no weaknesses in his game
Phillips 7.5C
Lucia 7.0C
Seeler 6.0C
Michalek 7C has good potential


overall

Ganlund 8.5A no not insane what all has he done this year
Brodin 8.0A
Coyle
Larsson
Zucker
Hackett
Bulmer

 

[dm1371]

Nathan Beaulieu: 8.0C

 

[dm1371]

New Draftees:
D Ryan Murphy - 7.0/5B
C Victor Rask - 7.0D
D Keegan Lowe - 6.0B
C Gregory Hofmann - 6.5C
G Matt Mahalak - 5.5C
C Brody Sutter - 5.0D

Prospect Rankings: (Different from my personal opinion of them, trying to think HF here.)

1. C Zac Dalpe
2. D Ryan Murphy
3. D Justin Faulk
4. LW Zach Boychuk
5. D Brian Dumoulin
6. LW Drayson Bowman
7. C Riley Nash
8. D Bobby Sanguinetti
9. G Mike Murphy
10. RW Oskar Osala
11. C Victor Rask
12. D Mark Alt
13. LW Chris Terry
14. D Austin Levi
15. G Justin Peters
16. LW Justin Shugg
17. D Michal Jordan
18. D Danny Biega
19. RW Jerome Samson
20. LW Mattias Lindstrom
21. D Keegan Lowe
22. D Rasmus Rissanen
23. D Tommi Kivisto
24. D Casey Borer
25. C Brett Sutter

Are you kidding me? Ryan Murphy's a beast if you haven't seen him play!

 

[Pietraneglo222]

For MN from this years draft

Brodin 8.0A (lets be honest his game is ready he needs more muscle, no weaknesses in his game
Phillips 7.5C
Lucia 7.0C
Seeler 6.0C
Michalek 7C has good potential


overall

Ganlund 8.5A no not insane what all has he done this year
Brodin 8.0A
Coyle
Larsson
Zucker
Hackett
Bulmer

There's no way Granlund let alone Brodin get to have "A"'s.