Player Discussion Henrik Lundqvist Pt. III

[WesMcCauley]

Solid stats. What about all situations?

Last season and so far this season .919 save %. 2.48 goals against per game.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Yeah, I want to see the all-situations stats too.

It's common sense to think his 5 on 5 stats the last 12 months are better than this all-situations stats the last 12 months.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, I'm calculating this from scratch. This is my math, if anyone can follow it.

December 2015: 605.33,33. 272/305
January 2016: 605.20, 22. 261/283
February 2016: 661.65, 20. 285/305
March 2016: 513.99, 29. 280/309
April 2016: 180.48, 10. 85/95
April 2016 playoffs: 202.9, 15. 98/113
October 2016: 414.89, 17. 154/171
November 2016: 583.00, 23. 282/305
December 2016: 59.11, 4. 30/34

Last 12 Months: 3826.55, 173. 1747/1920

63.776

Total Stats: 2.71 GAA, .909SV%

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Someone please tell me those stats are wrong. Please tell me I calculated that wrong. a .909 SV% for a goalie who makes 8.5M? Yeah, he's finished if those stats are right.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, I'm calculating this from scratch. This is my math, if anyone can follow it.

December 2015: 605.33,33. 272/305
January 2016: 605.20, 22. 261/283
February 2016: 661.65, 20. 285/305
March 2016: 513.99, 29. 280/309
April 2016: 180.48, 10. 85/95
April 2016 playoffs: 202.9, 15. 98/113
October 2016: 414.89, 17. 154/171
November 2016: 583.00, 23. 282/305
December 2016: 59.11, 4. 30/34

Last 12 Months: 3826.55, 173. 1747/1920

63.776

Total Stats: 2.71 GAA, .909SV%

Yep it's closer to .910 and you probably didn't do it per 60, but yep that's what I got too.

 

[TheTakedown]

Someone please tell me those stats are wrong. Please tell me I calculated that wrong. a .909 SV% for a goalie who makes 8.5M? Yeah, he's finished if those stats are right.

The defense has been literally atrocious the since December 2015... Hank's been above average, but he's nearly 35 years old. Guy has had a lot of work to do because our team lets up way too many shots.

It's on both Hank AND the defense... but part of me also wants to drag the coach into this. I know there is no solution to Dan Girardi right now, but does it help to trot out Klein and Girardi over Clendening? Is there not a single player that can play better than those two right now? Even short term stop gap solutions?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Every time someone posts a negative stat about Lundqvist it's always on the defense. Raanta must be Dominik Hasek to put the numbers he does behind this defense.

 

[nevesis]

Someone please tell me those stats are wrong. Please tell me I calculated that wrong. a .909 SV% for a goalie who makes 8.5M? Yeah, he's finished if those stats are right.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/in-the-nhl-save-percentage-is-a-team-stat/

http://ingoalmag.com/analysis/an-introduction-to-adjusted-save-percentage/

I post these links almost daily, hoping to educate those who have trouble understanding why traditional save% is a terrible statistic to judge goaltending performance.

 

[Irishguy42]

Every time someone posts a negative stat about Lundqvist it's always on the defense. Raanta must be Dominik Hasek to put the numbers he does behind this defense.

Speaking of Hasek, Lundqvist is only 4 wins away from tying him for 12th in all-time wins! Right now, he's tied for 13th with Vernon.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I don't know if it's coincidence, or intentional, but you guys are cutting out 21 games of last season (Prior to Dec), in which he posted a .936 SV%. Just a note.

And I don't know why you're doing this manually. These are easily attainable stats on several different websites. Go to ESPN, splits, shows by month/season. That's standard all situations.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/in-the-nhl-save-percentage-is-a-team-stat/

http://ingoalmag.com/analysis/an-introduction-to-adjusted-save-percentage/

I post these links almost daily, hoping to educate those who have trouble understanding why traditional save% is a terrible statistic to judge goaltending performance.

Raanta's stats aren't so bad. SSS, I know, but does the team just decide they are going to play better when Raanta's in net or is that just a fluke?

And even if you are right, doesn't it speak to a larger problem if our defense is that bad and we have a goalie with a really big contract who plays to the same level as the defense?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/in-the-nhl-save-percentage-is-a-team-stat/

http://ingoalmag.com/analysis/an-introduction-to-adjusted-save-percentage/

I post these links almost daily, hoping to educate those who have trouble understanding why traditional save% is a terrible statistic to judge goaltending performance.

Posting it over and over again is not going to change anything. Confirmation bias, nothing more

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don't know if it's coincidence, or intentional, but you guys are cutting out 21 games of last season (Prior to Dec), in which he posted a .936 SV%. Just a note.

And I don't know why you're doing this manually. These are easily attainable stats on several different websites. Go to ESPN, splits, shows by month/season. That's standard all situations.

I'm using the last 12 months, not the last two seasons. Towards the beginning of December last season, that was when it seemed like his play got worse, and its continued this season. Its continued for over a full season worth of games for a starting goalie.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't know if it's coincidence, or intentional, but you guys are cutting out 21 games of last season (Prior to Dec), in which he posted a .936 SV%. Just a note.

And I don't know why you're doing this manually. These are easily attainable stats on several different websites. Go to ESPN, splits, shows by month/season. That's standard all situations.

It's probably intentional because he's clearly not the goalie from then and hasn't been for a year, so it's irrelevant. Maybe we can go back to 11-12 and include those stats too.

 

[NCRanger]

I'm using the last 12 months, not the last two seasons. Towards the beginning of December last season, that was when it seemed like his play got worse, and its continued this season. Its continued for over a full season worth of games for a starting goalie.

It's perfectly legitimate to start in December of last year, because the team was pretty bad in October and November, yet was winning because of goaltending.

However, the team starting playing a lot better right before Christmas, yet were losing games because of goaltending. How many bad goals were scored right at the end of periods or at the start of periods? How many times were goals scored back to back?

Lundqvist has not been anything other than average since last Thanksgiving.

That's a fact, backed by statistics, and backed by the fact that Raanta has put up better numbers behind the same mediocre defense.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It's perfectly legitimate to start in December of last year, because the team was pretty bad in October and November, yet was winning because of goaltending.

However, the team starting playing a lot better right before Christmas, yet were losing games because of goaltending. How many bad goals were scored right at the end of periods or at the start of periods? How many times were goals scored back to back?

Lundqvist has not been anything other than average since last Thanksgiving.

That's a fact, backed by statistics, and backed by the fact that Raanta has put up better numbers behind the same mediocre defense.

I feel like I've been agreeing with all your posts lately.

 

[nevesis]

That's a fact, backed by statistics, and backed by the fact that Raanta has put up better numbers behind the same mediocre defense.

Except there is this thing called 'sample size' which you conveniently left out, which is kinda important.

 

[Crease]

Sorry Nev, but until Hank gets his **** together I like Raanta too.

I don't know whether it's physical (father time, undisclosed injury) or mental (confidence, personal life) but Hank hasn't been himself consistently for a good while now. Raanta has, in his limited opportunities (if you want to call it that), made me hold my breath less.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Except there is this thing called 'sample size' which you conveniently left out, which is kinda important.

In the last two seasons including the playoffs Raanta has played an equivalent of 28 games. He has a 0.921 save %. Lundqvist has played an equivalent of 84 games and has a 0.917 save%. This includes Lundqvist God-like October and November, which he hasn't come close to duplicating in a year.

 

[gorangers0525]

No defense excuses Hank's play for the last year, he is still expected to save a certain amount of the (many) shots that come his way, he hasn't.

 

[mike14]

Speaking of Hasek, Lundqvist is only 4 wins away from tying him for 12th in all-time wins! Right now, he's tied for 13th with Vernon.

I don't want to take anything away from a damn impressive stat regarding Hank, but it needs to be remembered that goalies didn't get the benefit of the SO win prior to 2005 so the W stat is a bit skewed

 

[Irishguy42]

I don't want to take anything away from a damn impressive stat regarding Hank, but it needs to be remembered that goalies didn't get the benefit of the SO win prior to 2005 so the W stat is a bit skewed

I just wanted to post something positive in this thread that was interesting

 

[mike14]

I just wanted to post something positive in this thread that was interesting

It's still damn impressive, dont get me wrong. It always just anniys me when thise stats get shown for some reason.
Even just 3 SO wins a season would give you 30 extra wins in 10 years, but commentators rarely seem to mention this

 

[Irishguy42]

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Nice bounce back game for Hank. Looked much more in control of his movements and technique looked good.


Guess he didn't get the memo about it being time to retire.