OT: Health and Fitness Thread ‎III

[JOKER 192]

Well, if it makes a difference I always use oatmeal bread for the extra protein. Oats are supposed to be good for you. No way I can cut out sugar completely, I wouldn’t want to.

I in no way want to tell you what to eat. I'm just sharing information. Do with it what you may.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Let me rephrase, I'll use disease in the place of illness.

What virus do you know of that doesn't involve inflammation?

None of them, from a medical sense

 

[JOKER 192]

None of them, from a medical sense

None of them, from a medical sense

Define medical

 

[Mainehockey33]

I haven’t taken virology, but what about HIV and other retroviruses? They integrate their DNA into yours and actually weaken your immune system.

 

[BNHL]

Inflammation is your body’s way of fighting disease. I can’t remember the specific cell types but basically white blood cells cause inflammation to bring water and nutrients to the site of whatever your body is fighting. It’s a natural mechanism involved in the healing process.

Obviously having inflammation all the time isn’t good, but you need it for recovery.

Chronic inflammation is the exact problem,and everyone eating a North American diet is experiencing it.

 

[BNHL]

Well, if it makes a difference I always use oatmeal bread for the extra protein. Oats are supposed to be good for you. No way I can cut out sugar completely, I wouldn’t want to.

Oats are bogus. I do PB without the J,in a spoon. When this Way Of Eating (WOE) is embarked on,a myriad of recipes emerge. Most people who embrace this WOE are either desperate or are hoping to reverse symptoms that have resulted from decades of chronic inflammation and poor gut health. I wouldn't expect symptom free 20,30 or 40 year olds to understand that what they are doing will inevitably result in some ailment.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Chronic inflammation is the exact problem,and everyone eating a North American diet is experiencing it.

I tried going carnivore diet for about two days. It’s not worth it.

 

[BNHL]

I tried going carnivore diet for about two days. It’s not worth it.

Until......

 

[Mainehockey33]

Oats are bogus. I do PB without the J,in a spoon. When this Way Of Eating (WOE) is embarked on,a myriad of recipes emerge. Most people who embrace this WOE are either desperate or are hoping to reverse symptoms that have resulted from decades of chronic inflammation and poor gut health. I wouldn't expect symptom free 20,30 or 40 year olds to understand that what they are doing will inevitably result in some ailment.

I’ve heard enough on this topic to believe it, I just don’t think it’s worth cutting out most food for. If I could find good alternatives to what I eat that were 100% healthy I would, but I’ll settle for making semi healthy choices without sacrificing food I like.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Until......

Until I asked myself why am I eating plain hamburger patties like an inmate lol. I wasn’t full on that diet, it sucked.

 

[BNHL]

I’ve heard enough on this topic to believe it, I just don’t think it’s worth cutting out most food for. If I could find good alternatives to what I eat that were 100% healthy I would, but I’ll settle for making semi healthy choices without sacrificing food I like.

I'm betting you're a 20,30 or 40 something with no symptoms. Remember this,nearly 100% of Americans have coronary lesions by the time they are 19. This particular generation of kids might be the worst as I see it through my kids constantly running to drug dealers like MaryLou's and DDs,what happens to millions of people in their 40s and 50s will start beginning in their 30s. Just saw today that ex BAA Marathon Director Dave McGilvray will run his 47th Marathon 6 months after a triple bypass,and we recently saw fitness fanatic Mick Jagger needs a valve job due to calcified plaque buildup,these are results of diet.

 

[McGarnagle]

I can buy that modern highly processed store-bought foods can have bad effects on the way we process food and whatnot (like how now everyone and their mother is gluten intolerant or having peanut allergies that no one had 50 years ago), but this aLl GrAiN iS BaD stuff is silly. Bread has only been the staple food for pretty much all of Western culture for at least 3000 years.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I'm betting you're a 20,30 or 40 something with no symptoms. Remember this,nearly 100% of Americans have coronary lesions by the time they are 19. This particular generation of kids might be the worst as I see it through my kids constantly running to drug dealers like MaryLou's and DDs,what happens to millions of people in their 40s and 50s will start beginning in their 30s. Just saw today that ex BAA Marathon Director Dave McGilvray will run his 47th Marathon 6 months after a triple bypass,and we recently saw fitness fanatic Mick Jagger needs a valve job due to calcified plaque buildup,these are results of diet.

Is there a site I can go to that lists all the foods I can eat? Sounds like the paleo diet is pretty safe. I wouldn’t mind trying a diet like this just to see how I felt compared to what I normally eat. Also wouldn’t mind losing some fat lol

 

[Mainehockey33]

I can buy that modern highly processed store-bought foods can have bad effects on the way we process food and whatnot (like how now everyone and their mother is gluten intolerant or having peanut allergies that no one had 50 years ago), but this aLl GrAiN iS BaD stuff is silly. Bread has only been the staple food for pretty much all of Western culture for at least 3000 years.

3000 years of eating grain isn’t much compared to the hundreds of thousands of years humans have been foraging and hunting. I don’t think grains are toxic or anything, but maybe it isn’t the most optimum diet.

 

[BNHL]

3000 years of eating grain isn’t much compared to the hundreds of thousands of years humans have been foraging and hunting. I don’t think grains are toxic or anything, but maybe it isn’t the most optimum diet.

Grains are toxic,doesn't matter that you think they aren't. Grains initiate an autoimmune response in the human body,the gliadin protein of wheat,the secalyn of rye,the hordein of barley and the zein protein of corn initiate a series of steps in the human intestine that disrupts performance of nutrient absorption,gliadin especially causes a misdirected autoimmune response against brain cells,liver cells etc. Amylopectin A in grains raises blood sugar and insulin response,decades later the Pancreas Beta cells are permanently damaged. Grains are loaded with phytates,compounds that block the absorption of iron,zinc,magnesium etc. Fortified breads try to compensate for nutrient blocking phytates. Grains have always been toxic,but now farming practices to produce more and protect the product have amplified it.

 

[BNHL]

Is there a site I can go to that lists all the foods I can eat? Sounds like the paleo diet is pretty safe. I wouldn’t mind trying a diet like this just to see how I felt compared to what I normally eat. Also wouldn’t mind losing some fat lol

The forums I follow are cureality,Undoctored and the Wheat Belly 10 day detox. I get recipes from all of them. Basically,no grains,bread is made from almond or coconut flour,no sugar (stevia,monk fruit or erythritol are substituted),no processed foods,no soy. Grains also have an opiate effect,making you want more,but after about 10 days that goes away. I'm a sweet freak but my cravings are 100% gone. People regularly get flu symptoms when the body first detoxes during the 10 days,by 6 weeks the stomach gut is normalized,most have begun seeing symptoms disappear or reduce. Many people report that their doctors are dumbfounded when they show up for physicals with Crohns gone,diabetes gone,fibromyalgia gone,MS symptoms resolving and on and on.

 

[Spooner st]

I can buy that modern highly processed store-bought foods can have bad effects on the way we process food and whatnot (like how now everyone and their mother is gluten intolerant or having peanut allergies that no one had 50 years ago), but this aLl GrAiN iS BaD stuff is silly. Bread has only been the staple food for pretty much all of Western culture for at least 3000 years.

We share the info on grains. Now you know.
What you do with the info is up to you.

 

[Spooner st]

I don't always follow it.
I do it for a few months then I feel great, lots of energy .

Then I slowly introduce the food I like, one at the time.
For a year or so. Then you slowly feel the effects again.
Until the effects are in full force.

Then I cut all grains sugar, dairy again.
Rinse and repeat.

You need will, it's like stopping cigarettes. You need to be prepared for the change.

 

[Kate08]

I drank a good percentage of the grains supply in Boston yesterday.

They were delicious.

 

[JOKER 192]

Funny thing about healthy eating is that it's really not hard to do. I enjoy healthy foods. I don't crave sugar. Sugar is addictive, once you take it out of your diet the cravings go. I aim for zero sugar though I believe a 85/15 split of complex carbs/sugars is ok, but sugars are everywhere so your going to get them even if you try to avoid them. I only eat about 100g of carbs per day ( people go as high as 500) I don't need more. It's an individual thing, some people would feel sluggish on such a diet some people aim for zero. Unlike fats and protein there is no minimum amount of carbs that is essential . The ketogenic diet for example limits carbs to only 5% of your diet. 70-75% fats and 20-25 % protein. In this diet you train your body to burn ketones (fats) for energy rather than carbs. I wouldn't follow this diet as I don't think it is sustainable. Carnivore diet where people only eat meat is another option but to restrictive for my taste. Not sustainable in my opinion. People with extreme autoimmune issues often rave about it. I don't do anything I don't think I will be able to sustain long term because all you accomplish will be reversed once you get of the diet. Ultimately the best diet/training is the one you will actually follow.

 

[Spooner st]

I drank a good percentage of the grains supply in Boston yesterday.

They were delicious.

I drink it too, and love it.

I even brew it myself, from all grains recipes.

 

[Kate08]

Funny thing about healthy eating is that it's really not hard to do. I enjoy healthy foods. I don't crave sugar. Sugar is addictive, once you take it out of your diet the cravings go. I aim for zero sugar though I believe a 85/15 split of complex carbs/sugars is ok, but sugars are everywhere so your going to get them even if you try to avoid them. I only eat about 100g of carbs per day ( people go as high as 500) I don't need more. It's an individual thing, some people would feel sluggish on such a diet some people aim for zero. Unlike fats and protein there is no minimum amount of carbs that is essential . The ketogenic diet for example limits carbs to only 5% of your diet. 70-75% fats and 20-25 % protein. In this diet you train your body to burn ketones (fats) for energy rather than carbs. I wouldn't follow this diet as I don't think it is sustainable. Carnivore diet where people only eat meat is another option but to restrictive for my taste. Not sustainable in my opinion. People with extreme autoimmune issues often rave about it. I don't do anything I don't think I will be able to sustain long term because all you accomplish will be reversed once you get of the diet.

The point about sustainability is key, and this is why the vast majority of diets fail. People choose diets that aren’t sustainable longterm and as soon as regular foods start being introduced again it comes back on, usually plus some.

I choose to follow the 80/20 rule and practice portion control. That’s sustainable for me.

 

[JOKER 192]

The point about sustainability is key, and this is why the vast majority of diets fail. People choose diets that aren’t sustainable longterm and as soon as regular foods start being introduced again it comes back on, usually plus some.

I choose to follow the 80/20 rule and practice portion control. That’s sustainable for me.

What is the 80/20 rule?

 

[HockeyMomx2]

Well I got nothing for PBJ but I use Large Portobello mushrooms for hamburger buns and it's freaking amazing

By the way peanuts contain lectins which also cause inflammation and jam is pure sugar so not a great choice anyway.

See, this is where I crack....I don't like vegetables, most make me gag and the crunchy ones I can't eat because of my teeth. I think the fitness pal thing is my best option. I could stand to drop 25-30.

 

[Kate08]

What is the 80/20 rule?

I eat whole, healthier foods 80% of the time and still have things like pizza, nachos, etc (the typical “bad” foods) 20% of the time. Basically I follow an everything in moderation approach. It works for me when I apply it.