Post-Game Talk: Habs @ Rangers 1/29/15 Mod warning in post #8

[LieutenantLackluster]

When you give up a goal in a tied a game with less than 5 minutes to go how are you giving your team a chance to win?

Holy ****ing ****.

He made some pretty insane saves to keep MTL at 0 goals. Youre not gonna shut out a team every night. Letting in a goal is fine. Not scoring any is not.

The team could have literally scored any amount of goals and the game would have resulted in at least a point. But they scored none. Why the holy ****ing pissing **** are we blaming Hank?

Anyone else realize in the last 7 games we have been basically shut out in 4 of them?

 

[Raspewtin]

Not at all, just a general statement on where i wish the direction of the team was headed. Hoping for bigger/faster guys to fill out the roster instead of smurfs.

We're already one of the fastest teams in the NHL, MSL is a generational talent, and Zuccarello is in a poor stretch but he's still a really good player.

 

[Raspewtin]

C'mon, Kreider has been playing his best hockey since the start of the season over the last 12 games. He was disappointing in the aftermath of his grandfather passing away, but he's been solid to start the new year.

I also don't think the offense has come crashing back to earth. We're two games removed from putting up 3 goals against the Sens, and the game prior to that was a 5-2 thrashing of the Pens. What I do think is evident that despite the running myth that physical hockey is disappearing, it's becoming more apparent that the Rangers aren't suited to match up against physical teams. The Islanders and Bolts both have an equal mix of creativity and grit up front, and the Habs have more snarl than the Rangers do; even if they have to get part of it from Dale Weise. The Habs also combine that with a lot of speed up front, which certainly seems to expose some of our slower defenders like Girardi and Boyle.

If there's a team that's totally soft up front, it is the Tampa Bay Lightning..... what grit do they have up front that you speak of outside of Callahan and B. Boyle?

The Habs don't have "snarl". They're cheapshotting little *****es who start needless physical altercations after the whistle with no referees looking.

 

[Trxjw]

Holy ****ing ****.

He made some pretty insane saves to keep MTL at 0 goals. Youre not gonna shut out a team every night. Letting in a goal is fine. Not scoring any is not.

The team could have literally scored any amount of goals and the game would have resulted in at least a point. But they scored none. Why the holy ****ing pissing **** are we blaming Hank?

As much as I hate agreeing with Snowblind and his crusade against Hank, the goals a guy lets up are even more important than the ones a guy stops. Getting scored on late is one thing, but this was a very stoppable shot that came at time where the Rangers were starting to gain the momentum. So while this loss certainly doesn't rest squarely on Hank, he did have a pretty big hand in it despite being impeccable for the other 59 minutes and 58 seconds of the game where that goal didn't occur.

Hank will be the first one to tell you that as a goalie, it only takes 1 split second for you to go from the hero to the goat. In fact, that's why a lot of guys play the position. They love and feed off of the pressure.

 

[True Blue]

Are we really implying that size is why we lost again?

No, clearly it is lack of puck moving defensemen that ails the Rangers

 

[True Blue]

We're already one of the fastest teams in the NHL, MSL is a generational talent, and Zuccarello is in a poor stretch but he's still a really good player.

That is what MSL WAS, not what he IS

 

[Doctyl]

As much as I hate agreeing with Snowblind and his crusade against Hank, the goals a guy lets up are even more important than the ones a guy stops. Getting scored on late is one thing, but this was a very stoppable shot that came at time where the Rangers were starting to gain the momentum. So while this loss certainly doesn't rest squarely on Hank, he did have a pretty big hand in it despite being impeccable for the other 59 minutes and 58 seconds of the game where that goal didn't occur.

Hank will be the first one to tell you that as a goalie, it only takes 1 split second for you to go from the hero to the goat. In fact, that's why a lot of guys play the position. They love and feed off of the pressure.

Had he let up 5 on the incredible chances he stopped, that bad goal doesn't matter as much.

 

[True Blue]

The Habs don't have "snarl". They're cheapshotting little *****es who start needless physical altercations after the whistle with no referees looking.

And yet the Rangers make them look physical. Heck, they made the Red wings look brawny.

 

[Raspewtin]

No, clearly it is lack of puck moving defensemen that ails the Rangers

I'm glad we're in agreement

 

[Doctyl]

That is what MSL WAS, not what he IS

He IS 2nd on the team in points, 2nd on the team in goals and 3rd on the team in assists. If you can replace that, then I'm all for it.

 

[True Blue]

He IS 2nd on the team in points, 2nd on the team in goals and 3rd on the team in assists. If you can replace that, then I'm all for it.

What I am stating is that his play today is not as a generational talent.

 

[Doctyl]

What I am stating is that his play today is not as a generational talent.

What I'm stating is that he's a top 3 forward on this team and impossible to replace if we don't re-sign him next season.

 

[Raspewtin]

And yet the Rangers make them look physical. Heck, they made the Red wings look brawny.

Yeah, first thing I thought was "wow those habs r so tough!!!" look at Prust start a pointless fight, look at Gallagher getting wrecked by Staal TWICE in open ice, look at Kreider go right at Subban every shift.

Yup, butter soft.

What game did you watch exactly?

 

[Waivers]

Yes, this would be great. Please link it so I can see Lars Eller's head ricochet off the plexiglass like we're in high school playing handball.

 

[Doctyl]

Big Bad Broons sure showed them last year who was tougher

 

[Trxjw]

If there's a team that's totally soft up front, it is the Tampa Bay Lightning..... what grit do they have up front that you speak of outside of Callahan and B. Boyle?

Paquette and Morrow for starters? All of their forwards have a willingness to battle that many of our forwards lack.

The Habs don't have "snarl". They're cheapshotting little *****es who start needless physical altercations after the whistle with no referees looking.

Call it whatever you want, but they won the physical battle. You don't have to have a lineup of 6'4 200lb maniacs to be physical. Sometimes all it takes is your star defender getting your most physical forward off of his game early on. The Habs bogged down the Rangers offense and was able to get their own going at the same time. Sure, the score was 1-0, but Hank had to make a hell of a lot harder saves than Price did.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Holy ****ing ****.

He made some pretty insane saves to keep MTL at 0 goals. Youre not gonna shut out a team every night. Letting in a goal is fine. Not scoring any is not.

The team could have literally scored any amount of goals and the game would have resulted in at least a point. But they scored none. Why the holy ****ing pissing **** are we blaming Hank?

Anyone else realize in the last 7 games we have been basically shut out in 4 of them?

Letting in a goal is fine, not letting in a goal that an ECHL goalie should stop. He faced 26 shots. Not like he faced 50, give me a break. You won't get a shutout every game, but under these circumstances when all that's standing between you and a regulation shutout is that shot, you should get that shutout 100 times out of 100. Also, I'm not saying getting shutout is acceptable but no one on this team screwed up more than Lundqvist did on that play. I don't know why the team not being good offensively absolves Lundqvist of the worst play of our season. No one other than Lundqvist gets a pass when he screws up like this, no one. Stepan, McDonagh, Nash, if either one screwed up like this leading to a 1-0 loss no one would be making the unreal amount of excuses that they're making for Hank. He's not beyond criticism, this is just ridiculous.

 

[LieutenantLackluster]

but this was a very stoppable shot that came at time where the Rangers were starting to gain the momentum..

A bit late to be gaining momentum. How about play the rest of the game with momentum maybe?

And Perrons goal a couple games ago was *very* stoppable. Wasnt even a shot. It literally floated by underneath him. But it didnt matter because we scored 3 more goals than the Pens did. And thats what wins games.

Hank stops as many shots as he can, and it keeps the Rangers in the games, but what good is it if you cant score goals?

 

[Trxjw]

Big Bad Broons sure showed them last year who was tougher

Compare this team who buckles in physical contests to a team with a different roster who had no problem dealing with them. Makes sense.

That team had Boyle, Pouliot and Dorsett as regulars, with Carcillo on the chain in the press box. This team has.. Tanner Glass.

 

[LieutenantLackluster]

And honestly if it was the game winner in a game tied 3-3 or 4-4 yeah sure hate on Hank for screwing it up. But getting shut the **** out isnt Hanks fault at all.

 

[Doctyl]

Compare this team who buckles in physical contests to a team with a different roster who had no problem dealing with them. Makes sense.

That team had Boyle, Pouliot and Dorsett as regulars, with Carcillo on the chain in the press box. This team has.. Tanner Glass.

Oh **** Boyle and Pouliot. Im shaking in fear

 

[Raspewtin]

Paquette and Morrow for starters? All of their forwards have a willingness to battle that many of our forwards lack.

Call it whatever you want, but they won the physical battle. You don't have to have a lineup of 6'4 200lb maniacs to be physical. Sometimes all it takes is your star defender getting your most physical forward off of his game early on. The Habs bogged down the Rangers offense and was able to get their own going at the same time. Sure, the score was 1-0, but Hank had to make a hell of a lot harder saves than Price did.

Well there's a difference between grit and snarl. When you said Isles and Lightning, I thought that's what you meant.

Morrow is barely an NHL player at this point, though.

What physical battle did they win exactly? They won the goaltending battle, that's for sure. But that's probably the only battle they won.

 

[Trxjw]

A bit late to be gaining momentum. How about play the rest of the game with momentum maybe?

And Perrons goal a couple games ago was *very* stoppable. Wasnt even a shot. It literally floated by underneath him. But it didnt matter because we scored 3 more goals than the Pens did. And thats what wins games.

Hank stops as many shots as he can, and it keeps the Rangers in the games, but what good is it if you cant score goals?

Your straw man isn't going to change things. We're talking about Hank letting up a bad goal and it being a primary factor in us losing the game. Hypothetically you could change any number of factors and get a different outcome, but you can't, so they're invalid arguments.

The team has had no issue scoring goals for the majority of the season. So, more often than not, they've given Hank plenty of goal support. They obviously needed Hank to steal this one for them and he was well on his way to doing so until he let in a softie. It's an isolated case, but you can't immediately throw all of the blame on the rest of the team when your highest paid player failed to complete his job.

 

[Trxjw]

Well there's a difference between grit and snarl. When you said Isles and Lightning, I thought that's what you meant.

There really isn't.

Morrow is barely an NHL player at this point, though.

So is Glass, and he's our only physical forward outside of Kreider. So that's a moot point.

What physical battle did they win exactly? They won the goaltending battle, that's for sure. But that's probably the only battle they won.

A "physical battle" isn't made up solely of face punching and hitting. It's all of the crap that goes on between the whistles, and the amount of work that's put into fighting for the puck. The Rangers lost that battle last night.

Goaltending really isn't the point here. We know Hank is elite and despite the ****** goal he gave up, he's not a concern going forward.

 

[Trxjw]

Oh **** Boyle and Pouliot. Im shaking in fear

Another brilliant counter-point.