Euro: Group F: Germany vs. France, 6/15/2021

[bluesfan94]

Nope, the quite obvious truth is that at full speed, someone touching you is a foul because it makes you lose your balance.
Sorry to burst through open doors with such blatant 5 year old truths.

As long as you know that it's only true to 5 year olds, I can accept your opinion.

 

[Harry22]

I think you should worry less about reffing in a pretty even game and more about the fact that France parked the bus against a team with limited offensive options up front...

Parked the bus yet hit a post, and 1 offside by probably 1 mm. Could have easily been 3-0. Also the missed penalty call. This game wasn’t as close as the score.

 

[cgf]

Parked the bus yet hit a post, and 1 offside by probably 1 mm. Could have easily been 3-0. Also the missed penalty call. This game wasn’t as close as the score.

France earned their win with their excellent defensive performance & threat on the counter, and winning by 2 wouldn't have been undeserved...but both teams can play the what-if game to claim that the score could've swung by 3+ goals in their favor.

For example; Hummels could've cleared the ball cleanly instead of poking in the french winner while Gnabry could've scored a pair on chances that he has converted for the NT before...and we had other moments around their box where a different bounce, or just one mistake from Varane-Kimpembe & Kante, could've resulted in a more favorable outcome.

 

[Albatros]

Parked the bus yet hit a post, and 1 offside by probably 1 mm. Could have easily been 3-0. Also the missed penalty call. This game wasn’t as close as the score.

Possession 68:32 for Germany, shots on target 10:4, completed passes 617:360. Expecting goals 0:3 for France would be quite optimistic.

 

[cgf]

I think you should worry less about reffing in a pretty even game and more about the fact that France parked the bus against a team with limited offensive options up front...

Our team has plenty of issues, but there aren't many NTs that can press & retain well enough to keep us from having the majority of the ball. And when we've got most of the ball, we're most vulnerable to teams who can drop deep well & hit us on the counter; which France is literally world class at doing...

They did the right thing, just like Portugal will. Committing more men to pressing us aggressively could've given us space to attack in behind...which would've been the one way to make Jogi look like he knew what he was doing playing both Kroos & Hummels.

 

[KlausJopling]

France defended and countered because they could. Once they got the lead what would have controlling the ball and leaving themselves open for the counter do for them. Sit back and have Pogba and Benzema send Mbappe off on the break.

 

[Harry22]

Possession 68:32 for Germany, shots on target 10:4, completed passes 617:360. Expecting goals 0:3 for France would be quite optimistic.

If you actually followed France the last few years, including their 2018 title, you’ll notice they don’t mind letting teams possess. Their midfield and defense is fantastic at snuffing most threats. They also have the deadliest counter and set pieces of the tournament. So looking at possession and passing and saying Germany dominated is delusional.

 

[Albatros]

France defended and countered because they could. Once they got the lead what would have controlling the ball and leaving themselves open for the counter do for them. Sit back and have Pogba and Benzema send Mbappe off on the break.

They weren't controlling the ball prior to the goal either.

 

[cgf]

If you actually followed France the last few years, including their 2018 title, you’ll notice they don’t mind letting teams possess. Their midfield and defense is fantastic at snuffing most threats. They also have the deadliest counter and set pieces of the tournament. So looking at possession and passing and saying Germany dominated is delusional.

Has anyone actually claimed that we dominated?

 

[TheShape]

Kroos is unnecessary, Klostermann to RB and put Kimmich in mid where he belongs. Not sure if Goretzka is fit but he is a must also. Kroos/Gundogan double pivot is suicidal.

France typically start these tournaments slow, I'll be surprised if they don't win this given their squad. Pogba is a different player whenever he has Kante behind him.

 

[cgf]

Kroos is unnecessary, Klostermann to RB and put Kimmich in mid where he belongs. Not sure if Goretzka is fit but he is a must also. Kroos/Gundogan double pivot is suicidal.

France typically start these tournaments slow, I'll be surprised if they don't win this given their squad. Pogba is a different player whenever he has Kante behind him.

Klostermann is a very good player in the right roles...and I would bring him into the back 3 for Rüdiger because we could use his speed against counters...but he doesn't provide enough in the final third to play RWB in this shape.

So, since Baku was left for the U21s, we don't really have an alternative to playing Kimmich there until Hofmann gets healthy...if Jogi is actually willing to play Hofmann at RWB so Kimmich go back to the midfield, and he wasn't just blustering to the press before Hofmann picked up a knock.


Goretzka was expected to be fit for this one, but failed his final fitness test and was one of the three guys left off the squad today; along with Hofmann & Musiala. LeGo should hopefully be fit to replace Kroos for the Portugal match, since Jogi refuses to play Neuhaus *sigh*

 

[Lambo]

Possession 68:32 for Germany, shots on target 10:4, completed passes 617:360. Expecting goals 0:3 for France would be quite optimistic.

Despite Germany was very harmless. 10 shots without scare for the opponent.
This shows that statistics don't say much.

 

[foggyvisor]

In the end, Germany is too inept in the the final 3rd to achieve much in this tournament.

This has been their story forever. Where is that #9.

 

[Chimaera]

I lowkey think he could be a nice fit in the front 3...he offers a lot in battles/against the ball, makes some of the best penetrating runs on the team, he has a knack for setting team-mates up as they charge into the spaces opened up by his movements, and is coming off a good campaign in france...I think, correct me if I'm wrong Evilo.

Havertz is our best bet for that spot next to Gnabry & Müller, but I think I might bring Volland on ahead of Werner or Sane...at least given their current form.

I don’t think we are arguing vastly different points. I think on form, he unfortunately is a better option than some of what they have. My issue is more that if he’s the option, it shows a dearth of quality. Werner and Sane being in a funk makes this really tough

 

[cgf]

This has been their story forever. Where is that #9.

Gnabry has the best goals/game rate (16 goals in 21 games) at this tournament and had two good chances despite the exceptional french defense...

 

[cgf]

I don’t think we are arguing vastly different points. I think on form, he unfortunately is a better option than some of what they have. My issue is more that if he’s the option, it shows a dearth of quality. Werner and Sane being in a funk makes this really tough

That's where we disagree. Had he picked clubs differently in his career, I think he had the quality to have started on a CL-winner.

 

[S E P H]

France played Germany off the pitch like they did in WWI.

However, that Hummels tackle was one of the best I've ever seen in my life (definitely not a penalty). Mbappe is probably the best player in the world, him and Pogba are just revelations when they put on the Rooster kit.

 

[Evilo]

Possession 68:32 for Germany, shots on target 10:4, completed passes 617:360. Expecting goals 0:3 for France would be quite optimistic.

And that's why those stats mean nothing.
Germany's chances? Gnabry's shot over the bar.
France's? One penalty not called, one goal, two goals called off (rightfully so) for 5 centimeters offside and a goalpost. Except none of these 5 plays appear in the Stat column (own goal, post is considered off target, offside is offside, penalty not called).

 

[admiralcadillac]

France played Germany off the pitch like they did in WWI.

However, that Hummels tackle was one of the best I've ever seen in my life (definitely not a penalty). Mbappe is probably the best player in the world, him and Pogba are just revelations when they put on the Rooster kit.

I think Kante is arguably a more impressive player than both. This French team is one of the best assembled in a long time but not necessarily from an offensive perspective.

 

[Evilo]

My view :
Lloris : neutral. Not a single save. Missed only 1 kick.
Defense : Amazing as usual. Even Pavard (can't believe I wrote this)
Midfield : Pogba amazing, Kante and Rabiot excellent.
Forwards : they weren't good. Griez helped defensively Mbappe and Benz only once. Didn't create anything they also have trouble finding each other.
Benz had 2 good plays the whole game. Mbappe had one great shot offside.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Defense : Amazing as usual. Even Pavard (can't believe I wrote this)

haha, i told you about pavard.

 

[Incubajerks]

France plays like this because technically in attack they are the strongest of all, they base everything on 1vs1 they don't intend to command the game, they don't need it. To beat them you have to make their forwards work defensively, and in any case it is not enough. Germany played a decent game, but it was like seeing a cat playing with a mouse. On the controversy, Gosens is never red but is a 100% yellow, the penalty is not a scandal to not give it and it must be said that the defender has worked a half miracle. To beat France you need something else, you have to scare them and make them lose all their certainties, to score first against them is very important, and difficult.

 

[cgf]

And that's why those stats mean nothing.
Germany's chances? Gnabry's shot over the bar.
France's? One penalty not called, one goal, two goals called off (rightfully so) for 5 centimeters offside and a goalpost. Except none of these 5 plays appear in the Stat column (own goal, post is considered off target, offside is offside, penalty not called).

Not that you guys didn't deserve to win...but you're making it sound like you were the only team whose chances didn't all appear in the stat colomn lol.

Neither of Gnabry's chances which he often converts was on target either and we didn't even get a shot off from some of our more dangerous moments. So again, both teams can play the what-about-ism drinking game.

My view :
Lloris : neutral. Not a single save. Missed only 1 kick.
Defense : Amazing as usual. Even Pavard (can't believe I wrote this)
Midfield : Pogba amazing, Kante and Rabiot excellent.
Forwards : they weren't good. Griez helped defensively Mbappe and Benz only once. Didn't create anything they also have trouble finding each other.
Benz had 2 good plays the whole game. Mbappe had one great shot offside.

...Mbappe made multiple tackles in his own half, he put in work because we made him...

 

[Evilo]

Nope the difference is that Gnabry's shot counted in the xg (rightfully so).
That was Germany's only genuine chance of the full 90 minutes.
The only whataboutism here is your post.

And no Mbappe didn't put the work.
Didn't have to either since he didn't cover for a RB. And Kimmich was eaten by Lucas

 

[cgf]

Nope the difference is that Gnabry's shot counted in the xg (rightfully so).
That was Germany's only genuine chance of the full 90 minutes.
The only whataboutism here is your post.

And no Mbappe didn't put the work.
Didn't have to either since he didn't cover for a RB. And Kimmich was eaten by Lucas

if you say so

I like how our off target shots don't count but yours do. And I never realized that Mbappe was so good that he could track back all game without doing any running...