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Grigorenko Contract and RFA status
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I'm liking 3 years at $2.5M, after this full season in the AHL he should have a legit shot to make the team
Really? I have not seen a Rochester game except for a couple on TV but my expectations with their personnel were overly blown for sure. Are Grigs/Larsson/Armia/Pysyk/McCabe/Liewen/Makarov/Ruhwedel et al really that good to be getting nhl contracts worth millions when they are bottom feeders as a team in the AHL? 2 1/2 million for a guy in the AHL who is hardly a scoring leader in an inferior league? I bow to the guys who see Rochester regularly but I do so with misgivings...
Whoa! What planet did I just land on?!? I'm hopeful for Grigorenko as a secondary scoring C or LW, maybe even top line duty, but there's no friggin' way he's going to get a 2.5 mil AAV type of deal.
Ennis played 140 games and put up 92 pts during his ELC before getting a 2 yr bridge for 2.8 mil per. Grigorenko has 43 games and 8 pts so far. Now maybe because of his signing bonus that jacked up his ELC to a 1.775 AAV, Buffalo will have to offer a 10% increase over that to retain him (I'm not sure). If so that would force an offer with a 1.95 mil AAV, and that's the MOST he should get over a 2-3 year deal until he proves himself in the NHL. If that's not required he should get a QO in the range of 1.1 mil per. I'll certainly be rooting for him to earn a bigger contract down the road.
Ennis played 140 games and put up 92 pts during his ELC before getting a 2 yr bridge for 2.8 mil per. Grigorenko has 43 games and 8 pts so far. Now maybe because of his signing bonus that jacked up his ELC to a 1.775 AAV, Buffalo will have to offer a 10% increase over that to retain him (I'm not sure). If so that would force an offer with a 1.95 mil AAV, and that's the MOST he should get over a 2-3 year deal until he proves himself in the NHL. If that's not required he should get a QO in the range of 1.1 mil per. I'll certainly be rooting for him to earn a bigger contract down the road.
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2.5-3M per? What? I'd give him QO for 1 year. Isn't he no longer waiver exempt next year which means he forced himself on the team basically?
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Grigorenko is 20 years old. He'll be a restricted free agent for the next 7 seasons.
Jame is completely right. There is absolutely no reason to offer anything more than a QO after this year.
SF1980 : His AAV is 1.775 because of the 850k performance bonus, but that's not counted against he cap. Unless he earns it, then it does at the end of the year.
His QO would be $874,125. ( Salary - Signing Bonus ) * 1.05
Jame is completely right. There is absolutely no reason to offer anything more than a QO after this year.
SF1980 : His AAV is 1.775 because of the 850k performance bonus, but that's not counted against he cap. Unless he earns it, then it does at the end of the year.
His QO would be $874,125. ( Salary - Signing Bonus ) * 1.05
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Signed his deal at 18. He's waiver exempt for 5 years or 160 games. Long time yet.
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If thats 2.5mil total over 3 years. Then I'm in since thats just 833k per year. Though I doubt his agent would agree to it.
If its per year, no way.
I thought his base salary was .925 mil, and that a QO would be 10% more - 1.075 mil per? Whatever the exact numbers, I agree that he should just get a roughly minimum QO and see how things shake out from there. 2.5 mil...uh no.
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I believe that .925mil includes his 92.5k signing bonus. That needs to be subtracted to calculate his QO.
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Ya, JJ has it right, have to subtract the signing bonus.
The minimum QO depends on the base salary from the previous season.
Less than $660k : QO is a 10% raise.
$660k to $1m : QO is a 5% raise.
Over $1m : No raise mandated.
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2.5 mil over 2 years was my original concept, I realized I said "a year" which was a typo grammatical error on my part and I was stretching by saying no more than 3 mil over 3 years.
We assume he will accept a QO but if he wants some cash I wouldn't go more than what I've said on a bridge deal and I wouldn't be so willing to trade him if McEichel doesn't fall to us.
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I think people are severely overestimating the leverage Grigorenko has here.
He'll have less than 50 NHL games played (assuming he's not called up, and they're clearly not going to this year), with absolutely no chance another team would try to offer sheet, so almost nothing to push the Sabres with. That's pretty much the standard set of circumstances for a player coming off his ELC.
He's get a QO, then couple year deal with a modest raise. That's the important deal for him. Once he signs that, he has to make the NHL team and perform. If he does that, his 2nd RFA deal starts to get him paid. This 1st deal won't.
He'll have less than 50 NHL games played (assuming he's not called up, and they're clearly not going to this year), with absolutely no chance another team would try to offer sheet, so almost nothing to push the Sabres with. That's pretty much the standard set of circumstances for a player coming off his ELC.
He's get a QO, then couple year deal with a modest raise. That's the important deal for him. Once he signs that, he has to make the NHL team and perform. If he does that, his 2nd RFA deal starts to get him paid. This 1st deal won't.
This is how I had interpreted it. And I'm sure his agent wouldn't, but it'd be fair and a chance for both sides to show some loyalty and bury any lingering uneasiness from the last regime's mis-handling of his development.
I'd be down for just qualifying him too because it'd bring everything to a head. He accepts, both sides recommit to each other and his development continues as planned. Someone offer sheets him, we match (or not), both sides recommit to each other (or not) and his development continues as planned (here or elsewhere with us getting compensated). Or maybe he just bolts altogether for the KHL (which would suck, but I honestly don't consider it a real possibility).
I love how GMTM has managed Grigo since coming in. He's nailed it, and I've got all the faith in the world he'll continue to do so.
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I'm not sure what to make of this but the top scoring leader for the AHL plays for the Bulldogs and is Hudson with 8 goals and 18 assists for 26 points in 23 games. Grigorenko is just outside the top 50 sitting at 52 with 7 goals and 9 assists for 16 points in 23 games. The top goal scorer in the AHL I believe has 12 goals on the season which puts Grigorenko 5 goals behind that.
Your mistaking the AHL for the OHL/WHL/QMJHL where 100 point seasons are gravy for top prospects mixed with too many kids who will never see ice in the NHL let alone the AHL.
Another case in point that AHL scoring doesn't necessarily translate to the NHL is that Varone sits 8th overall in points with only 6 goals on the season and he is considered to have a much lesser upside than Grigorenko.
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I think because he burned his first year of his ELC at 18, I think he needs to clear waivers in 15/16. The 5 years are in place for 18 yr old because for most the contract would slide for 2 years. An EZlC you are waiver exempt. After ELC you are not waiver exempt. Goalies get a 4 th yr of exemption.
This doesn't affect when he can be a UFA.
As for his contract..if Foligno gets $1.85M per, Grigs get something higher. I see a 3 yr $8M contract where the contract increases yr to yr... Like $2.0 M, $2.75M, $3.25M.
