LeBrun: Gostisbehere available for trade

[BlueOil]

here it is. the low hanging defensive fruit dubas wants. is ghost a good solution? no, but he plays defense says dubas

 

[TheKingPin]

I mean you probably expose the winger whose best season is 33pts 6 years after being drafted

Oh you mean the guys who had 11 goals and 18 pts in 30 games, is likely going to be a 20-20 goal scorer, is 24 yo, and making 3 mill for the next 3 years? No.

The expansion draft is a big issue for the flyers doing anything bc we aren’t trading guys like Konemcy or Sanhiem. We aren’t going to get good value for guys like Voracek. This team is built for depth so it’s the most susceptible plan for the ED as opposed to star power teams. It’s best to stand pat.

 

[Guttersniped]

Why does Ghost get the benefit of doubt due to usage by his coach but Domi does not get the same benefit when Julien was way harder on him vs AV on Ghost?

Thank goodness, I thought Domi might not be discussed here because it’s a thread about a Flyers defenseman but I should never underestimate the the power of Domi.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Thank goodness, I thought Domi might not be discussed here because it’s a thread about a Flyers defenseman but I should never underestimate the the power of Domi.

Same type of conversation though. Great offensive guys but both are not so good in their own end.

 

[TOGuy14]

I think he is a third unit PP specialist that is awful in his own end.

He will probably get a 3rd + a meh piece

 

[Curufinwe]

I mean you probably expose the winger whose best season is 33pts 6 years after being drafted

33 points in 81 games, followed by 18 points in just 30 games before getting cancer.

I wonder if you thought the Flyers should have exposed Couturier in 2017 when his best season was 39 pts 6 years after being drafted.

 

[Starat327]

Thank goodness, I thought Domi might not be discussed here because it’s a thread about a Flyers defenseman but I should never underestimate the the power of Domi.

No no, it's always about Domi. Strawman everywhere you possible can to cover all your bases.

 

[Guttersniped]

Yeah he has potential to rebound but with his last couple years, contract and a flat cap, does he have negative value at this point?

He doesn’t have negative value. (And this is coming from a Devils fan, so obviously no rooting interest.) The Flyers will likely mostly get kind of crap offers because of the plague and his knee. Don’t be surprised if a team who needs a player like him gives them a respectable enough return (that most people here think is outrageously too much) and they take it.

 

[FlyguyOX]

To be fair - 99% of philadelphia fans want to keep Ghost. It's just AV's inexplicably usage of bad players that has him "available". And even then, most of us would sooner ship out AV than Ghost.

Wtf? Yeah you definitely don't speak for all of us. What a moronic statement. Ghost doesn't have a spot in our top 4; that has nothing to do with AV and more so to do with the fact we have better players.

AV led a huge turnaround in our team year over year and could have won the Jack Adams. Yeah, some questionable decisions in playoffs, but that doesn't mitigate his season success.

This is why I stay off the Flyers boards. Insanity.

 

[FlyguyOX]

He didn’t have anymore or offensive giveaways than the rest of the team thanks to the isles forecheck. And he created a lot. Just because the coaches didn’t want to put him in over Hagg doesn’t mean Hagg is better than Ghost. Hagg has some of the worst stats in the league. Same goes for them actually wanting to matchup Thompson against Barzal. You can’t judge their play by the bad coaching decisions. And he does have a nice spot as Provorovs partner and dropping Niskanen to the third pair. They had a ton of success before. Ghosts value is also at an all time or near all time low. If they play him right next year he prob puts up 40-50 pts and you could trade him for a lot more if you wanted to.

See, Flyers fans don't even understand their own coaches reasoning for decisions. AV played Thompson against Barzal to free up the top line who hadn't done jack shit in the playoffs. Thompson held his own to an extent, the top line again didn't produce shit against lesser players.

 

[wankstifier]

Wtf? Yeah you definitely don't speak for all of us. What a moronic statement. Ghost doesn't have a spot in our top 4; that has nothing to do with AV and more so to do with the fact we have better players.

AV led a huge turnaround in our team year over year and could have won the Jack Adams. Yeah, some questionable decisions in playoffs, but that doesn't mitigate his season success.

This is why I stay off the Flyers boards. Insanity.

I think he meant 99% of fans who don't eat paint chips?

 

[FlyguyOX]

That's why I never go there. As a Flyers fan for close to 50 years, it's embarrassing.

Agree, they're the worst. Echochamber where any dissension of thought is shouted down by the autisitic crowd.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I think he meant 99% of fans who don't eat paint chips?

Such a big, bad, loyal fan you are.

PLAYER GOOD, COACH BAD. OO, AH AH

 

[wankstifier]

Such a big, bad, loyal fan you are.

PLAYER GOOD, COACH BAD. OO, AH AH

Yeah, the players have more to do with team success than the coach, no? Did I miss Vigneault suit up and score some goals? As a fan, I have more loyalty to the players than the coaches.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Yeah, the players have more to do with team success than the coach, no? Did I miss Vigneault suit up and score some goals? As a fan, I have more loyalty to the players than the coaches.

Question game 5 of playoffs. Flyers are up 3-2 3 minutes to go. Barzal line is out there. And AV puts out Hagg and Nate. What percentage is Nate/Hagg fault and what percentage is AV?

If you answer 100% or 0% either side, I just disagree. Yes I hated Hagg missing the puck going across the crease. But the bigger percentage problem was Hagg should never be on the ice at the same time as Barzal. AV's use of Hagg in that situation was just head scratching at best. If you are setting players up to fail, they are more likely to fail.

 

[Starat327]

I think he meant 99% of fans who don't eat paint chips?

I can only assume someone here is quoting me and I cant see it. Probably for the best.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Why does Ghost get the benefit of doubt due to usage by his coach but Domi does not get the same benefit when Julien was way harder on him vs AV on Ghost?

Here is the difference. Flyers fan should know (not all do) that ghost's value is in the toilet. So Rather than get toilet value the better play is to keep and try to repair then dump for scrubs.

Habs fans goes to Jets fan or Flames fan and state Domi is a 70 point player and Domi's value is not far of from Laine or Johnny Hockey's value. And everyone other than habs fan see this as comedy gold.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Here is the difference. Flyers fan should know (not all do) that ghost's value is in the toilet. So Rather than get toilet value the better play is to keep and try to repair then dump for scrubs.

Habs fans goes to Jets fan or Flames fan and state Domi is a 70 point player and Domi's value is not far of from Laine or Johnny Hockey's value. And everyone other than habs fan see this as comedy gold.

Nah. Most Habs fans are saying Domi's value is around 60 pts and 25 goals which is slightly above his 5 year averages of 55 pts and 18 goals as he heads into his age 25+ years. And we are not just offering Domi in those trade packages. Caufield was in most of them and he's one of the best prospects not playing NHL right now today. That's not some small meh add.

And most Habs fans are not afraid to say Domi is an offensive type center or winger who has defensive commitment issues. We say it like it is and we are not in denial like some Flyers fans are with Ghost's value in his own end.

Both Ghost and Domi have defensive flaws but solid offensive talent. All I see in this thread is fans acknowledge that Ghost has been mistreated by AV but ignore that with Domi and CJ.

 

[glenbuis]

If I thought ghost’s knees were good I’d do Byron for him but that’s as far as I would go .

 

[Flyer lurker]

Nah. Most Habs fans are saying Domi's value is around 60 pts and 25 goals which is slightly above his 5 year averages of 55 pts and 18 goals. And we are not just offering Domi in those trade packages. Caufield was in most of them and he's one of the best prospects not playing NHL right now today. That's not some small meh add.

And most Habs fans are not afraid to say Domi is an offensive type center or winger who has defensive commitment issues. We say it like it is

5 years
number of years over 25 goals or pace over 25 goals ONE
5 years number of years
number of years over 60 points or pace for over 60 points ONE
Who is winning Ghost v Domi 60 points season last 5 years? tied 1 to 1
THAT IS SAYING IT LIKE IT IS!!

And this is a Ghost thread and don't want to dethrone that point. If Flyers /management/fan wants to try to repair ghost I get it. If Montreal fan wants to sign a scoring winger with Domi and see if he can a 25g 60 point guy again I get it.

But Flyer fan is silly if they think they are getting a 1 for Ghost after last year. And Montreal fan is just as silly if you go to the jets saying well Laine got 28 goals last year and Domi will get 25 so the difference isn't that much. Whether it was you or different fans toolegit i don't know. But please don't lie and tell me MTL fans have not tried to make a case like that.

 

[Guttersniped]

Here is the difference. Flyers fan should know (not all do) that ghost's value is in the toilet. So Rather than get toilet value the better play is to keep and try to repair then dump for scrubs.

Habs fans goes to Jets fan or Flames fan and state Domi is a 70 point player and Domi's value is not far of from Laine or Johnny Hockey's value. And everyone other than habs fan see this as comedy gold.

The difference is anyone who trades for Domi has to give him a huge RFA deal and Ghost is a 27 yo defenseman making 3.25m (4.5m cap hit)/3 years. If a team need a PP QB that’s not a daunting price, particularly if cap space isn’t a problem for them. The knee injury history is worrisome to me for a guy signed for 3 years but NHL teams tend to be more optimistic about other teams’ injury prone players (when they need them) than their own.

It’s not like there’s better options at the same price point on the UFA market. The cap hit maybe (and there’s not exactly plenty for everybody) but not salary. The idea that the Flyers would get a 2021 3rd and a punch in the balls for Ghost is very silly.

(I can’t believe I’m defending this numbskull.)

edit: not say you were suggesting a terrible return but others were.

 

[Habs Halifax]

5 years
number of years over 25 goals or pace over 25 goals ONE
5 years number of years
number of years over 60 points or pace for over 60 points ONE
Who is winning Ghost v Domi 60 points season last 5 years? tied 1 to 1
THAT IS SAYING IT LIKE IT IS!!

And this is a Ghost thread and don't want to dethrone that point. If Flyers /management/fan wants to try to repair ghost I get it. If Montreal fan wants to sign a scoring winger with Domi and see if he can a 25g 60 point guy again I get it.

But Flyer fan is silly if they think they are getting a 1 for Ghost after last year. And Montreal fan is just as silly if you go to the jets saying well Laine got 28 goals last year and Domi will get 25 so the difference isn't that much. Whether it was you or different fans toolegit i don't know. But please don't lie and tell me MTL fans have not tried to make a case like that.

Domi > Ghost. Fair debate but I rather have Domi and play him on wing. Like I said, both are solid offensive talent but can't figure out the trust from their coaches on the defensive end. Domi was played 4C cause of team strategy. Ghost was a healthy scratch cause he plays D and is suppose to be good at D

Anyways, It's a good comparison in terms of fans giving the benefit of doubt with how AV treated Ghost and those same fans ignore how CJ treated Domi. It's valid on what you see on HF boards

 

[Flyer lurker]

 

[prototypical4thliner]

If they decide to trade him—and that’s a big if—this offseason is the absolute wrong time. Give him an off-season to get right, get him top power play time and give him the chance to boost that value. Even if he does come back to a 40-50 point defender who is good at defending the neutral zone and not a detriment in his own zone, he’s not going to be protected over provorov sanheim and myers, nor would he cause the flyers to go 4/4 exposing either konecny or lindblom. Trade him next offseason. You have the benefit of more clarity on what york, zamula and friedman bring too.

 

[Tripod]

If I thought ghost’s knees were good I’d do Byron for him but that’s as far as I would go .

Don't worry, we don't need Byron...good knees or bad.