Darren McCord
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On no planet is Ghost a negative value trade asset.
Even at a neutral value he is not where close to DeBrusk. the flyers need to keep him and play him.
On no planet is Ghost a negative value trade asset.
Cap casualty is probably a better term than negative asset. In a flat cap world if the Flyers want to shed his salary completely to dip into the UFA market he would have negative value given recent performance and $/term but if they’re looking to trade for a roster player that is a similar reclamation project with a similar contract at a position of need that would work. Neal for Lucic kind of trade but nowhere near as bad as those guys.On no planet is Ghost a negative value trade asset.
Even at a neutral value he is not where close to DeBrusk. the flyers need to keep him and play him.
Cap casualty is probably a better term than negative asset. In a flat cap world if the Flyers want to shed his salary completely to dip into the UFA market he would have negative value given recent performance and $/term but if they’re looking to trade for a roster player that is a similar reclamation project with a similar contract at a position of need that would work. Neal for Lucic kind of trade but nowhere near as bad as those guys.
Even at a neutral value he is not where close to DeBrusk.
Lol...well the person I responded to said he was a RHD. Sorry if I didn't verify but him being a lefty is even worse.
Provy, Sanheim, Hagg, Zamula, York....all lefties.
Last think the Flyers need is a LH Dman.
Explain this one. Look, I like DeBrusk, but he is a forward with a career high 43 points. Ghost has surpassed that TWICE as a defenseman. Ghost is on an affordable contract with term; DeBrusk is a RFA. DeBrusk is a nice player (one I personally like more than I should) but he's not a top line talent. He's at best a 2nd liner--and would be an excellent 3rd liner. He's not an offensive giant, he's not a two-way force, he's not a killer power forward--he's just a solid, good player who can modestly contribute.
Explain this one. Look, I like DeBrusk, but he is a forward with a career high 43 points. Ghost has surpassed that TWICE as a defenseman. Ghost is on an affordable contract with term; DeBrusk is a RFA. DeBrusk is a nice player (one I personally like more than I should) but he's not a top line talent. He's at best a 2nd liner--and would be an excellent 3rd liner. He's not an offensive giant, he's not a two-way force, he's not a killer power forward--he's just a solid, good player who can modestly contribute.
Well...there is no need.Then why not trade Sanheim+ for Laine!!?
come on, that's just horrible...howabout..
Laine for Farabee+Patrick
and
Gaudreau+Lucic for Ghost+Voracek
Both coming off down years, obviously LA has time to see if Kupari bounces back but you're loaded with C prospects and verrrrrrrrrrr..........rrrrrry lean on NHL LD.
Even at a neutral value he is not where close to DeBrusk. the flyers need to keep him and play him.
Not near enough for Laine...they will want at least 1 impact guy coming back.howabout..
Laine for Farabee+Patrick+1st
and
Gaudreau+Lucic for Ghost+Voracek
expansion protect: Laine, Gaudreau, Giroux, Couturier, Hayes, Konecny, Laughton, Provorov, Sanheim, Meyers, Hart
That's my feeling. Market moved a lot, Ghost has more value to the Flyers than another team, which isn't saying a lot. Only way to move him is in a hockey deal for a guy underperforming to his contract like Tyler Johnson.Those are two extremely different things.
Threads like this kill me. Ghost genuinely isn't a negative asset. Any team with cap space should be feening to add him (Detroit or Buffalo, for example)
Like another member mentioned (Maybe Tripod - I can't remember): Who takes Ghost is going to use him properly and make Philly look absolutely stupid. This negative asset stuff is nonsense.
There’s a thread from years back where multiple people were calling Giroux negative value in a trade. It’s better to just ignore most posts from people who don’t watch on a regular basis.
Agree with this, Ghost is a quality player with an undeserved rep due to coaches decisions. You won't get what he's worth in a trade. Certainly not DeBrusk. Only positive to trading him is to avoid losing him for nothing being exposed to expansionEven at a neutral value he is not where close to DeBrusk. the flyers need to keep him and play him.
Then why not trade Sanheim+ for Laine!!?
Because Laine is a one year rental that'll demand 9+m on next contract and be worth 7.5M while Sanheim is a young stud with top pairing projection that is making 3.25M.Then why not trade Sanheim+ for Laine!!?
People really heavily overestimate Laines Valuehowabout..
Laine for Farabee+Patrick+1st
and
Gaudreau+Lucic for Ghost+Voracek
expansion protect: Laine, Gaudreau, Giroux, Couturier, Hayes, Konecny, Laughton, Provorov, Sanheim, Meyers, Hart
It's far too much for Laine with him expecting to demand 9M+ on his next contract. He's far too one dimensional to pay that kind of money.Not near enough for Laine...they will want at least 1 impact guy coming back.
As for the Flames one....Lucic is just not an option I want.
I don't disagree....but from the Jets POV...the ask is WAY more.It's far too much for Laine with him expecting to demand 9M+ on his next contract. He's far too one dimensional to pay that kind of money.
Laine is a cap killer that has to score 40 goals in order to be worth the assets given up and the cap number given up. And for sure if Jets fan I wouldn't move unless a Sanheim, York, or Myers was in the deal. But as Flyers fan I'll would rather just pass.Then why not trade Sanheim+ for Laine!!?