Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by Michoulicious, Sep 28, 2020.
Even at a neutral value he is not where close to DeBrusk. the flyers need to keep him and play him.
Cap casualty is probably a better term than negative asset. In a flat cap world if the Flyers want to shed his salary completely to dip into the UFA market he would have negative value given recent performance and $/term but if they’re looking to trade for a roster player that is a similar reclamation project with a similar contract at a position of need that would work. Neal for Lucic kind of trade but nowhere near as bad as those guys.
Agreed with both. There would need to be an add from the Flyers end in order to get DeBrusk. The Flyers should just keep Ghost and play him. Especially if they aren't getting anything of value in return for him.
I'm not really sure if I'd call him a cap casualty either. The Flyers don't really need the cap space (at least currently). But moving him is more for the need (or lack there of) for a player like him in AV's system and for the fact that we can't protect him during the expansion draft.
Explain this one. Look, I like DeBrusk, but he is a forward with a career high 43 points. Ghost has surpassed that TWICE as a defenseman. Ghost is on an affordable contract with term; DeBrusk is a RFA. DeBrusk is a nice player (one I personally like more than I should) but he's not a top line talent. He's at best a 2nd liner--and would be an excellent 3rd liner. He's not an offensive giant, he's not a two-way force, he's not a killer power forward--he's just a solid, good player who can modestly contribute.
Then why not trade Sanheim+ for Laine!!?
His career high is deceptive. He has only play 3 seasons and not a full one yet. He had 27 goals two seasons ago and then paced for over 20 this year. His value depends on his next contract. He is very similar to Coleman who netted a first and very good prospect. Even if he doesn't have Colemons two way play he has higher offensive upside. Like I said it depends on his next contract.
Also Ghost did that three years ago. His numbers have dropped off so his value is an all time low. And a cap hit at 4.5 is hard to swallow with the flat cap. You won't get value for him. His best position is to stay with the flyers.
He's 4 years younger and has paced for 50+ points in 2 out of his 3 years in the NHL. His contract will be someone between Ghost and Konecny, so fairly reasonable. Being 23, he could evolve into top line talent. I think he already is a 2nd line player, especially on the Flyers. Imagine a line of Konecny, Hayes, and DeBrusk for the Flyers. It would be damn near the best 2nd line in the NHL. His possession numbers are very good (even compared to teammates on the Bruins, who are a possession team). Plus he has the goal scoring ability which the Flyers desperately need.
I love Ghost and the Flyers, but we'd easily need to add to him in order to get DeBrusk. I'd make the trade.
Well...there is no need.
Konecny has almost identical stats to Laine the last 2 years combined and will make 3-4 million less than Laine once Laine signs his next deal.
Voracek has b2b 66 point or on pace seasons...and before that an 85 point one
Then we have dirt cheap Farabee who has 2 years left on his ELC and will keep getting better.
So it makes no sense at all to make the defense worse, to add another RWer when our RW is set up nicely. Even if Laine's upside is higher than TK's. And yes, I have seen the rumors out there...likely more in detail than most have seen...and I would not pay near what the Jets are asking for.
Send him to Winnipeg
Laine for Farabee+Patrick+1st
Gaudreau+Lucic for Ghost+Voracek
expansion protect: Laine, Gaudreau, Giroux, Couturier, Hayes, Konecny, Laughton, Provorov, Sanheim, Meyers, Hart
come on, that's just horrible...
I assume we are talking Steve Kupari here, our Hot-Dog salesmen in section 319.
Yes, he had a low sales year but the season was shortened by COVID and i am convinced he will come back with a stronger year.
I guess there is a trade to be made if Philly throws in a little sweetener.
Just to clarify, we are not talking Rasmus Kupari. This would be outrageous and the thread would be closed by the Mods for trolling.
Those are two extremely different things.
Not near enough for Laine...they will want at least 1 impact guy coming back.
As for the Flames one....Lucic is just not an option I want.
That's my feeling. Market moved a lot, Ghost has more value to the Flyers than another team, which isn't saying a lot. Only way to move him is in a hockey deal for a guy underperforming to his contract like Tyler Johnson.
I do think Ghost is at the very least our fourth best Dman and with proper usage he'd be easily worth his contract.
There’s a thread from years back where multiple people were calling Giroux negative value in a trade. It’s better to just ignore most posts from people who don’t watch on a regular basis.
Oh boy, I remember those.
The good old days..."Bro, we'd never trade Galchenyuk for an anchor like Claude Giroux"
Agree with this, Ghost is a quality player with an undeserved rep due to coaches decisions. You won't get what he's worth in a trade. Certainly not DeBrusk. Only positive to trading him is to avoid losing him for nothing being exposed to expansion
Why would I add to a deal that I wouldn't make from the base?
Because Laine is a one year rental that'll demand 9+m on next contract and be worth 7.5M while Sanheim is a young stud with top pairing projection that is making 3.25M.
I wouldn't trade Sanheim straight up for Laine unless it's a sign and trade long term at 8M tops for Laine.
People really heavily overestimate Laines Value
It's far too much for Laine with him expecting to demand 9M+ on his next contract. He's far too one dimensional to pay that kind of money.
I don't disagree....but from the Jets POV...the ask is WAY more.
Laine is a cap killer that has to score 40 goals in order to be worth the assets given up and the cap number given up. And for sure if Jets fan I wouldn't move unless a Sanheim, York, or Myers was in the deal. But as Flyers fan I'll would rather just pass.
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