How is seguin better than Kessel? Kessel hit 30+ goals several times and hit PPG last year. 7th in goals, 6th in points last year. What do you expect from Seguin? 4th in goals and 4th in points? There's only 4 guys in the NHL who hit 35+ goals and PPG. Stamkos, Malkin, Kessel and Neal. So yes, at the very least, approx isn't a bad thing to say. They are both offensive minded players who aren't physical. I'll admit seguin is a little more well rounded but not enough to suggest he's actually that much better. I stick to approx.
Seguin is more well rounded as you pointed out. I think you know well enough that who's the better player isn't determined by how many goals or points one has brought forth in one season.
Kessel is a pure sniper, I don't expect Seguin to ever outscore him. If we were arguing about who's the better goal scorer, than yea, Kessel. But that's not what we're arguing about now are we?
We are not even arguing about who was the better player last year, or even today.
You're talking about a trade involving one NHL player for draft picks.
Kessel will reach 500 games if he's healthy this year. Seguin will get 200.
To me, there's no question, Seguin is the better player of the two. He lead the Bruins in pts, in a defensive system, as a sophomore without even getting top minutes.
He will only improve.
So ya, Seguin>Kessel already.
I don't get it, you feel the Kessel one is worst because Seguin is better than Kessel? Hmm, but Gomez is better than Mcdonagh? I get your point that they gave hamilton and company away too but we gave Mcdonagh, higgins and valentenko away and got cap problems and a buyout.
No, I feel the Kessel one is worst because the Leafs gave up Seguin+McDo+Knight.
You say we gave up Higgins, well NYR gave up Pyatt. Considering the way Higgins played in NYR, that's a wash.
Valentenko..really?..Okay, NYR gave up Busto. Again, wash.
The main pieces are Gomez and McDo.
So, say Kessel=Seguin, which is what you seem to believe, then you add Hamilton+Knight, and they equal McDo at the very least.
After you say we were in cap problems. I disagree. It's never ONE player setting you up in Cap hell. We gave contracts to Gionta and Cammalleri too. Those didn't help. Hamrlik had a pretty expensive price tag too for what he brought. The management of the cap on various deal was what gave us problems, not just one player.
Just like it's not Kessel's fault if Toronto absolutely sucked during his time there. It's not Gomez's fault management decided to give out a few bad contracts after he was brought in.
So all in all, at the very least the trades are equally bad.
At the end of the day we can say whatever we like about leafs giving more, but they also got more. The ratio between quality of assets given:quality of assets recieved is dramatically better for the leafs than the habs. At the worst, it's a 1:2 ratio. For the habs it's like 1:10.
I disagree. I think at the very least the trades are equally as bad.
Doesn't matter if they got something in return, they also gave away way much more.
However, I think Seguin is better than Kessel, and I also think Hamilton can be better than McDo. Then you throw in Knight. For those reasons, I think the toronto deal was worse.
I think at first, it's not even close, the Gomez trade is definitely the worse one. At that point, we didn't know that the Leafs were going to horribly suck and give away two major top end talent picks to Boston. But after knowing what the Bruins got, it turns into the worse one.