Gomez vs Kessel trade - Which one was worse?

[Guess]

Hi guys,

I was checking out Kessel's stats this season after reading all the rage on the leafs boards about him, turns out he only has 3 goals!

So I had this discussion later with a friend about which trade was worse between the Gomez one and the Kessel trade (in hindsight of course). I'm of the opinion that the Gomez trade was worse, given how much he was making, but the leafs lost Seguin as well as another first rounder...

What do you think?

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[pine*]

Why can't I vote?

 

[Guess]

Why can't I vote?

Not sure but it says you're an irregistered user..

 

[LaTenderness*]

Gomez because we got nothing in return...... but in the long run Leafs will be the bigger losers. (As per usual)

 

[PuckNorris]

The Leafs gave up the bigger return no doubt, but Kessel is only 25. He's got time to turn it around. Gomez had nowhere to go but down. Kessel has also provided more offence than Gomez could even wish for.

 

[rwb]

Gomez quite handily IMO. Phil Kessel scored 82 points last year and would be on pace for about 65 or so this season if it wasn't shortened. He is still young with room to grow and mature as a player. Sure losing out on Seguin, Hamilton and Knight is bad, but the key is Montreal didn't get a young, PPG winger back in their trade.

They traded a heart and soul leader on the team who had just come off a down, injury filled season, but one who had posted 3 straight 20+ goal seasons. Thrown in McDonagh who has turned out to be a top 4 guy with upside and you have the makings of a disaster. Which is exactly how it turned out when Gomez struggled.

 

[GoHabsGo76]

Gomez, and it's not even close. We gave up a fantastic prospect in McDonaugh and a decent player in Higgins, AND got a player back who wasn't good for us and was a huge cap burden.

They did give up a lot, but don't let his three goals so far fool you, he's still a solid player at least.

 

[void]

Kessel trade is by far the worst of the two. Leafs gave up Seguin, Hamilton, and Knight for Kessel. Losing McDonagh was horrible but it doesn't compare to what the Leafs gave up.

 

[25get]

Gomez was a worse trade. All elements were known (at least to scouts)...

Regarding Kessel, if the leafs has better goaltending (the monster), Ruins never get Seguin...Nor Hamilton.

 

[GoHabsGo76]

You don't know who the Leafs would've taken with those picks, either.

 

[LeHab]

Gomez AINEC.

When Kessel was traded very few people were expecting the Leafs to finish so low which allowed Boston to draft Seguin.

 

[zzoo]

If this poll is made in Leafs board, then the result would be 99%-1%. If it's made in General board, then it's 90%-10%.

 

[FlyingKostitsyn]

Seriously the Gomez trade is a million times worse.

Kessel is a good but very streaky player. He could score 12 in the next 12.

He's not the type of player I'd build a franchise around but he's still a guy any team could use. Seguin and Hamilton are two great pieces but so is McDonagh.

When Kessel was traded very few people were expecting the Leafs to finish so low which allowed Boston to draft Seguin.

This is not a great argument imho, when you trade a first rounder you take into account the strenght of your team to assess its value. Burke had a terrible team and he traded the pick away, he takes responsability for it.

Nobody expected Gomez to be this terrible besides. The most pessimistic at least hoped he'd give us 50pts a year with some consistancy, not that he'd stop after 2 years.

 

[Mike Mike Caron]

We lost less than them in the trade but their player is useful while our was realy good for nothing.

 

[DAChampion]

The Vessel trade is worse.

They got Morgan reilley out of it, we got Alex galchenyuk.

 

[Miller Time]

Gomez trade AINEC.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Honestly, why are trying to justify our poor trade like this? At end of the day, they still got a good player, we got nothing. They gave 2 good young players for 1, we gave 1 for 0 and cap problems.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

Toronto gave a lot but at least they got a young 35 goals scorer in return. We got a guy who gave us an average of 35 pts in his 3 seasons here and he's out of the team now.

 

[Garo]

Kessel trade is by far the worst of the two. Leafs gave up Seguin, Hamilton, and Knight for Kessel. Losing McDonagh was horrible but it doesn't compare to what the Leafs gave up.

Gomez doesn't even compare to what the Leafs got.

 

[MasterDecoy]

so we lost a future possible first pairing guy for a guy who, although he was ultimately useless, really helped us get to the ECF that one year.

the leafs lost a future top pairing guy, a future first line center and a possible second line guy.

i know kessel contributed but even with him, you still in lottery range (of which you gave the picks away oh my), making his contributions beyond useless

the gomez trade didn't set us back one bit. the kessel trade on the other hand?

for me it's kessel and it's not even close to being even close

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Kessel: Still in the league
Us: Empty-handed

 

[LyricalLyricist]

so we lost a future possible first pairing guy for a guy who, although he was ultimately useless, really helped us get to the ECF that one year.

the leafs lost a future top pairing guy, a future first line center and a possible second line guy.

i know kessel contributed but even with him, you still in lottery range (of which you gave the picks away oh my), making his contributions beyond useless

the gomez trade didn't set us back one bit. the kessel trade on the other hand?

for me it's kessel and it's not even close to being even close

So who is it? Knight is a possible 2nd line guy but we didn't give up Higgins or anything? Habs lost more than leafs quite easily.

 

[MasterDecoy]

Kessel: Still in the league
Us: Empty-handed

for now. my gut feeling is he won't re-sign with them. if it happens, hopefully (but not too hopeful) they have the foresight of trading him to get something out of it.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Btw, what makes our deal 100 times worse is we knew what we were giving up and did it. Leaf management prob felt it would be two top 15 picks not seguin and Hamilton. They prob wouldn't have done if had they known but we willing ****ed ourselves knowing the entire specs if the deal.

 

[MasterDecoy]

So who is it? Knight is a possible 2nd line guy but we didn't give up Higgins or anything? Habs lost more than leafs quite easily.

lost more? how did we lose a first line center and a top d-man?

im not saying it was a good trade though... just saying it was... less worst

Btw, what makes our deal 100 times worse is we knew what we were giving up and did it. Leaf management prob felt it would be two top 15 picks not seguin and Hamilton. They prob wouldn't have done if had they known but we willing ****ed ourselves knowing the entire specs if the deal.

good point