Post-Game Talk: [GM36] Canucks lose to Flames | 2-3 | Dries & Pettersson

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Canuck effort all based on frantic effort while Flames build around structure. Calgary just let us make mistakes and then burnt us on them. This was seen in the huge problems Canucks had coming out of their zone and in the way Calgary sat back and let the Canucks force the play resulting in odd man rushes. Team is a mess 5 on 5 and, in this game, couldn't get the PP going as well.

Good

Garland - another game where he had to carry a line and drag his team into the fight.

Martin - could have been a rout without him. Like last year the team has to depend on goaltending to overcome the pitiful defensive efforts.

Lockwood - showed his speed and ability to negate odd man rushes. Went to the body well.

Bad

Miller - showing, in so many ways, he is not up to speed. Shows in his inability to gain space to make more direct and less foolish passes, in his defensive transition play, in the awkwardness leading to turnovers and missed chances, in his line changes, basically in everything. The only hope is that he was not in decent shape and maybe in the future he can regain some form by getting in better shape in the off season. If not, then Allvin has made a mistake every bit as bad as any the idiot Benning made.

Hughes - at vital points made critical errors - good examples were his mis-plays on the PP. Hopefully team will realize he has no shot and tries to create a rotation which gets people back there who can create some danger from the point. Also, Hughes needs to stop with the one man shows. Any team works best when you're playing as a team and letting the puck do the work

Lazar - has zero offensive ability and should be only an option for the 4th line - and maybe not even there. Lost every puck battle in this game by my reckoning. Looks like just one more cap problem moving ahead.

Boeser - really needs to be benched. He can't play at this level. Simply too slow -especially in his first step. We've seen enough to know there is not going to be some miraculous change in his play. He has been like this for basically all of last year and all of this year. Can only see a buy out.

Others

Studnicka - fringe player. Can rush around but terrible stick. Joshua and the rest are much the same. All you can hope they don't get scored on.

Dermott - encouraging effort. Moved the puck quickly and stayed out of trouble. However, might soon devolve into the way others on this team go - overhandling the puck in their end, being dependent on the long pass to get the puck out, making bad pinches, etc.... Right now he is moving the puck laterally quickly to create space but it seems our defense always gets away from that and starts pushing puck or rushing the puck up the middle.

Tough to have much optimism about 2023 and, given the contract situation, even much hope for rest of the decade but let's hope the coming year and give us some reprieve from this misery. NEW YEAR, NEW HOPE AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE WILL BRING. (with the exception, maybe, of being a Canuck fan)
 
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Canuck effort all based on frantic effort while Flames build around structure. Calgary just let us make mistakes and then burnt us on them. This was seen in the huge problems Canucks had coming out of their zone and in the way Calgary sat back and let the Canucks force the play resulting in odd man rushes. Team is a mess 5 on 5 and, in this game, couldn't get the PP going as well.

Good

Garland - another game where he had to carry a line and drag his team into the fight.

Martin - could have been a rout without him. Like last year the team has to depend on goaltending to overcome the pitiful defensive efforts.

Lockwood - showed his speed and ability to negate odd man rushes. Went to the body well.

Bad

Miller - showing, in so many ways, he is not up to speed. Shows in his inability to gain space to make more direct and less foolish passes, in his defensive transition play, in the awkwardness leading to turnovers and missed chances, in his line changes, basically in everything. The only hope is that he was not in decent shape and maybe in the future he can regain some form by getting in better shape in the off season. If not, then Allvin has made a mistake every bit as bad as any the idiot Benning made.

Hughes - at vital points made critical errors - good examples were his mis-plays on the PP. Hopefully team will realize he has no shot and tries to create a rotation which gets people back there who can create some danger from the point. Also, Hughes needs to stop with the one hand shows. Any team works best when you're playing as a team and letting the puck do the work

Lazar - has zero offensive ability and should be only an option for the 4th line - and maybe not even there. Lost every puck battle in this game by my reckoning. Looks like just one more cap problem moving ahead.

Boeser - really needs to be benched. He can't play at this level. Simply too slow -especially in his first step. We've seen enough to know there is not going to be some miraculous change in his play. He has been like this for basically all of last year and all of this year. Can only see a buy out.

Others

Studnicka - fringe player. Can rush around but terrible stick. Joshua and the rest are much the same. All you can hope they don't get scored on.

Dermott - encouraging effort. Moved the puck quickly and stayed out of trouble. However, might soon devolve into the way others on this team go - overhandling the puck in their end, being dependent on the long pass to get the puck out, making bad pinches, etc.... Right now he is moving the puck laterally quickly to create space but it seems our defense always gets away from that and starts pushing puck or rushing the puck up the middle.

Tough to have much optimism about 2023 and, given the contract situation, even much hope for rest of the decade but let's hope the coming year and give us some reprieve from this misery. NEW YEAR, NEW HOPE AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE WILL BRING. (with the exception, maybe, of being a Canuck fan)

I’d give Studnicka a little credit for having his legs going and drawing two penalties tonight. Solid effort from a fourth liner.
 

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Yet another floater minus game for Miller. Gets knocked of the puck and just watches the flames score
 
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Anyone who defends JT after his pathetic game tonight and frankly this entire season is delusional.

We need to dump him and his upcoming contract at all costs
I think once the off-season hits we can trade him for nothing in return pretty easily before his new contract kicks in.
 

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Never seen a player drop off a cliff as hard as Huberdeau. Dude can’t skate anymore and handles the puck like a grenade. 8 more years at 10.5 mill is just brutal for them. Really hope they make the playoffs and treliving keeps his job.
 
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Boeser - really needs to be benched. He can't play at this level. Simply too slow -especially in his first step. We've seen enough to know there is not going to be some miraculous change in his play. He has been like this for basically all of last year and all of this year. Can only see a buy out.
Weird.

While he hasnt been good this year, not nearly as good as I expected.

I thought this was one of his best games and he was one of our best players this game.

Either way, why on earth would we buy him out..?! That would only stretch the problem to years when we actually need to be more efficient in our contracts and maybe contend for something.
 

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Never seen a player drop off a cliff as hard as Huberdeau. Dude can’t skate anymore and handles the puck like a grenade. 8 more years at 10.5 mill is just brutal for them. Really hope they make the playoffs and treliving keeps his job.
He has always been an unintimidating star. Surprised to see his year end totals. Never really had that fear factor on a scoring chance against.

He looks like Tanner Pearson that somehow scores 100 points.
 

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Really hope this is just a slump because Miller is looking Gaudete level at 5v5 this year.
 

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So the Canucks sink below the 'magical' .500 mark again and almost everybody they play in January is ahead of them in in standings.

On a positive note, there's a real chance their season could be semi-officially over by January 30th, well before the NHL trade deadline. And realistically, it's the outcome of the TDL that will define whether the season is a 'success' or not.

For the most part this group of payers have basically proven they can't get it done on the ice.....so let the 'trading games' begin.
 
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Never seen a player drop off a cliff as hard as Huberdeau. Dude can’t skate anymore and handles the puck like a grenade. 8 more years at 10.5 mill is just brutal for them. Really hope they make the playoffs and treliving keeps his job.

So funny that Treliving went into job-saving mode this off-season like Benning did in 2021 and people ate it up. The Tkachuk trade and re-signings might end up being their OEL deal.
 

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watch the isolation video of Miller “skating” back after giving the puck up to a 2-1. He skates like he his 30th bag skate lap. Disgusting

That video shows Miller’s character in 9 seconds

He is a selfish whiny floater that could not care to break a sweat for his team

 

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watch the isolation video of Miller “skating” back after giving the puck up to a 2-1. He skates like he his 30th bag skate lap. Disgusting

That video shows Miller’s character in 9 seconds

He is a selfish whiny floater that could not care to break a sweat for his team


In the time it took 2 calgary players to go from center ice to our net...Miller didn't even reach the blue line from center ice. It was like he was skating back on an icing that wasn't going to make it.
 
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watch the isolation video of Miller “skating” back after giving the puck up to a 2-1. He skates like he his 30th bag skate lap. Disgusting

That video shows Miller’s character in 9 seconds

He is a selfish whiny floater that could not care to break a sweat for his team


Cmon now. JT only makes 5.25 M$ this year. I'm sure he'll put 2.75M extra effort into backchecking next year after his deal kicks in.
 

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If you continue to allow bad behavior the behavior will continue...Miller is a giant child who has been allowed to display bad behavior for a long time and has only been rewarded for it...if this were something that management cared about, they would have addressed it by now and they certainly wouldn't have just given him a huge extension...they simply don't care enough about these issues to do anything about it.
 

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That back check is being overblown. He wasn’t going to change it from a 2 on 1. He wasn’t even the 2nd man. He was the 3rd man.

Obviously he’s been a bozo quite a bit but people are just piling on now.

Granted I’ve only seen this slo-mo clip of the play at hand.
 

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That back check is being overblown. He wasn’t going to change it from a 2 on 1. He wasn’t even the 2nd man. He was the 3rd man.

Obviously he’s been a bozo quite a bit but people are just piling on now.

Granted I’ve only seen this slo-mo clip of the play at hand.
It's an amalgamation of a long history of shitty behavior...the antics get old fast, especially when you aren't putting up as many points and the team is constantly losing. This is the type of person who wears people out...I can imagine a lot of people in that dressing room who get tired of the spazzy negative behavior and sulking, who wants to be around that everyday? So I think it's less about "piling on" and more about being tired of the team giving this clown a pass every time he makes an ass of himself...they're really good at making rookies and the lower paid players accountable, but that's where it begins and ends.
 

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That back check is being overblown. He wasn’t going to change it from a 2 on 1. He wasn’t even the 2nd man. He was the 3rd man.

Obviously he’s been a bozo quite a bit but people are just piling on now.

Granted I’ve only seen this slo-mo clip of the play at hand.

He created both 2 on 1 chances that led to Flames goals by turning over the puck in the offensive zone, and the doing absolutely nothing to get back on D. On the first one, he saw the point-man pinching and the watched the Flames forward blow past him without making any effort to stop the Flames breakout. On the second one, he shrugged his shoulders and casually made a line change as the puck was going up the ice.
 

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That back check is being overblown. He wasn’t going to change it from a 2 on 1. He wasn’t even the 2nd man. He was the 3rd man.

Obviously he’s been a bozo quite a bit but people are just piling on now.

Granted I’ve only seen this slo-mo clip of the play at hand.

I actually agree with you on the first part but a fundamental part of defense is to get back in your zone to provide support. If the chance was flubbed, he still wouldn’t have been back for second and third chance opportunities.

As I said at the time, Lindholm almost stopped because he had so much time. It was a noticeably terrible effort from everyone.
 
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