GM thread

[Teemusalami204]

I'd add the Hayes trade also. Bubble team in need of a 2C /bluechip prospects trades a 1st for a capable player who fails to move the needle and ends up down the lineup despite his solid points %. Also the Hendricks trade -- only a 7th, but if you need to trade for locker-room heroes because a playoff team lacks motivation. then your coach isn't doing his job -- so talk to the coach and save the pick.

I don't have a lot of complaints with Chevy -- but in a cap league in a small market creativity and thinking ahead of the pack are increasingly important attributes IMO.

I wish he would of thought ahead before losing 4 of his top 6 man and then doing nothing about it

 

[sipowicz]

Nine years at the helm of an NHL franchise and the Jets still a bubble team, in the PO’s one year and knocked out in the first round and then out of the playoffs the next, Chevy’s masterpiece, dynasty it is not!

Anyone remember the funny fictional line a few years back, “this team is built for the playoff’s” too bad that it was just a line and a false one at that!

Jets are at best a bubble team with a few good young players, some aging older players and mostly guys just not good enough to win with! Luckily for Chevy he found a good goalie who masked most of the teams shortcomings!

 

[Teemusalami204]

Nine years at the helm of an NHL franchise and the Jets still a bubble team, in the PO’s one year and knocked out in the first round and then out of the playoffs the next, Chevy’s masterpiece, dynasty it is not!

Anyone remember the funny fictional line a few years back, “this team is built for the playoff’s” too bad that it was just a line and a fake one!

I love seeing everyone wasting their time on how many big trades we might make. Let’s get real here. Couple bottom pairing d men and signing our own rfas will be a huge offseason for Chevy.. and it’s the most likely one

 

[Whileee]

I love seeing everyone wasting their time on how many big trades we might make. Let’s get real here. Couple bottom pairing d men and signing our own rfas will be a huge offseason for Chevy.. and it’s the most likely one

I actually don't mind that, if it means that the Jets use the upcoming season to develop Samberg, Heinola, Harkins, Gus, Vesalainen, etc. Maybe trade Perreault for an extra pick, and rebuild the prospect pool in the 2020 and 2021 drafts.

The big push to restructure the roster should be in 2021, when they have a stronger set of young D and forwards, and a ton of cap space.

The loss of Buff and Little made last season and the upcoming season unrealistic for a real Cup push. The biggest mistakes that GMs make is to try to build a short-term winner unrealistically.

 

[Teemusalami204]

I actually don't mind that, if it means that the Jets use the upcoming season to develop Samberg, Heinola, Harkins, Gus, Vesalainen, etc. Maybe trade Perreault for an extra pick, and rebuild the prospect pool in the 2020 and 2021 drafts.

The big push to restructure the roster should be in 2021, when they have a stronger set of young D and forwards, and a ton of cap space.

The loss of Buff and Little made last season and the upcoming season unrealistic for a real Cup push. The biggest mistakes that GMs make is to try to build a short-term winner unrealistically.

I see what your saying and agree for the most part. But building the roster for another 2 year push shouldn’t even be in the question.

With helly Scheif and wheelers deals all coming at the same time I see us having to shed some talent again.

And yes wheeler will resign for around 5 mil a year on a one year deal IMO

 

[wpgfishfan]

If gets rid of Laine and still keeps Wheeler that would be classic Chipman/Chevy

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Chevy’s done a fantastic job.

Take away a few mis-steps like the Mason, Kulikov, and maybe Perreault contracts and he’s hit this GM thing out of the park.

What on ice results help support your argument? Or is the GM not responsible or accountable for the team's performance over time in your view?

 

[DRW204]

Chevy’s done a fantastic job.

Take away a few mis-steps like the Mason, Kulikov, and maybe Perreault contracts and he’s hit this GM thing out of the park.

in 9 seasons they have been out of the first round once and 12 overall playoff wins (26th/31 teams).... yes, fantastic

 

[rubikscube]

The goal is long term stability and championships.

Chevy has built a heck of a roster, yes it has flaws but it is an endless work in progress and he was given a really raw hand this year with Buff, injuries.
Stability - check.

Championships - nope. Is he the GM to take the team over the top? Not so sure.

What I do think is that firing him would be a massive misstep and if he was fired he would almost instantly be handed another GM job of his choice in the NHL

 

[Teemusalami204]

The goal is long term stability and championships.

Chevy has built a heck of a roster, yes it has flaws but it is an endless work in progress and he was given a really raw hand this year with Buff, injuries.
Stability - check.

Championships - nope. Is he the GM to take the team over the top? Not so sure.

What I do think is that firing him would be a massive misstep and if he was fired he would almost instantly be handed another GM job of his choice in the NHL

Pretty unstable if you ask me. Players forcing trades and losing 80 percent of your defense without fixing it reaks of instability

 

[rubikscube]

Pretty unstable if you ask me. Players forcing trades and losing 80 percent of your defense without fixing it reaks of instability

Trouba is one outlier example. He was going to do that to any Canadian team, and 75% of American teams.
There's no magic fix when your $7.6 dollar #1 d-man decides overnight that he doesn't want to play anymore.
Judging Chevy on those two situations are unreasonable.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Trouba is one outlier example. He was going to do that to any Canadian team, and 75% of American teams.
There's no magic fix when your $7.6 dollar #1 d-man decides overnight that he doesn't want to play anymore.
Judging Chevy on those two situations are unreasonable.

I’m judging him on the other 3 dmen he knew he was going to lose for a while and did nothing about.

 

[Whileee]

I’m judging him on the other 3 dmen he knew he was going to lose for a while and did nothing about.

He lost Myers and Chiarot because they didn't have cap space, because they had to sign Laine and Connor and lost Buff. Trouba was really the only big loss. If the Jets had Buff they could have put any LD with him and had a solid D pair.

Myers wasn't worth keeping.

 

[DRW204]

Just wait till Chevy makes pionk this teams highest paid dman

 

[Teemusalami204]

He lost Myers and Chiarot because they didn't have cap space, because they had to sign Laine and Connor and lost Buff. Trouba was really the only big loss. If the Jets had Buff they could have put any LD with him and had a solid D pair.

Myers wasn't worth keeping.

How is not having enough cap space not his fault ????? That is what a gym is paid to do.

Having a plan so his defense doesn’t go from good to AHL over one offseason is part of his job title.

So many excuses around here.

 

[DRW204]

How is not having enough cap space not his fault ????? That is what a gym is paid to do.

Having a plan so his defense doesn’t go from good to AHL over one offseason is part of his job title.

So many excuses around here.

How much cap space did this team have to start the year? Nevertheless somehow teams are unearthing gems via trade for cheap (Marino, Schultz and petry come to mind) yet Chevy is spending his time signing sbisa, bitetto, and dahlstrom. Neither trouba, chiarot and myers were surprise departures, unfortunately our gm did 0 to mitigate their loss. It's comical people try to make an excuse for Chevy.

 

[drumzan]

I'd add the Hayes trade also. Bubble team in need of a 2C /bluechip prospects trades a 1st for a capable player who fails to move the needle and ends up down the lineup despite his solid points %. Also the Hendricks trade -- only a 7th, but if you need to trade for locker-room heroes because a playoff team lacks motivation. then your coach isn't doing his job -- so talk to the coach and save the pick.

I don't have a lot of complaints with Chevy -- but in a cap league in a small market creativity and thinking ahead of the pack are increasingly important attributes IMO.

Oh I’m with you. I HATED the Hayes trade.

Trading for Setoguchi when you’re clearly not a contender. Not buying out Pavelec. Trading up for Stanley. Not trading Hainsey. Trade to not lose Enstrom. List goes on.

 

[Whileee]

How is not having enough cap space not his fault ????? That is what a gym is paid to do.

Having a plan so his defense doesn’t go from good to AHL over one offseason is part of his job title.

So many excuses around here.

He had almost $13 million in cap space allocated to Byfuglien and Little. Buff dropped out as training camp begun, and Little injured with an uncertain return after 7 games. Chevy had no avenue for re-allocating Buff's cap space during the season. Once again, there's a difference between an "excuse" and an explanation. Yank $7.6 million of cap space and a #1 D from any team and the GM is going to have a tough time building a D on the fly.

Chevy could have done a better job filling in bottom end roster spots, but that wouldn't have replaced Buff (or Little).

 

[Teemusalami204]

How much cap space did this team have to start the year? Nevertheless somehow teams are unearthing gems via trade for cheap (Marino, Schultz and petry come to mind) yet Chevy is spending his time signing sbisa, bitetto, and dahlstrom. Neither trouba, chiarot and myers were surprise departures, unfortunately our gm did 0 to mitigate their loss. It's comical people try to make an excuse for Chevy.

People act like the end of these contracts came
Out of no where and surprised him. He knew this would happen for years.

Also him going into a full defense rebuild in the last 2 years of his aging 1D’s contract is absolutely laughable.

 

[DRW204]

People act like the end of these contracts came
Out of no where and surprised him. He knew this would happen for years.

Also him going into a full defense rebuild in the last 2 years of his aging 1D’s contract is absolutely laughable.

Agreed. And Chevy thought dahlstrom, sbisa and bitetto were suitable replacements. Not surprised given this is the same guy who gave pavelec a 20m contract.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Agreed. And Chevy thought dahlstrom, sbisa and bitetto were suitable replacements. Not surprised given this is the same guy who gave pavelec a 20m contract.

I still think the state of the defense made buffs choice easier to quit. He was going through a lot and didn’t have it in him to be on a bubble team.

 

[rubikscube]

Agreed. And Chevy thought dahlstrom, sbisa and bitetto were suitable replacements. Not surprised given this is the same guy who gave pavelec a 20m contract.

lol.

 

[Teemusalami204]

He had almost $13 million in cap space allocated to Byfuglien and Little. Buff dropped out as training camp begun, and Little injured with an uncertain return after 7 games. Chevy had no avenue for re-allocating Buff's cap space during the season. Once again, there's a difference between an "excuse" and an explanation. Yank $7.6 million of cap space and a #1 D from any team and the GM is going to have a tough time building a D on the fly.

Chevy could have done a better job filling in bottom end roster spots, but that wouldn't have replaced Buff (or Little).

I always see your points but I don’t agree this time. Even with buff this wasn’t a team that was going to contend. And losing little elevated Lainesa game to a level he would of not gotten while being stuck on the second line with him

 

[AWSAA]

He had almost $13 million in cap space allocated to Byfuglien and Little. Buff dropped out as training camp begun, and Little injured with an uncertain return after 7 games. Chevy had no avenue for re-allocating Buff's cap space during the season. Once again, there's a difference between an "excuse" and an explanation. Yank $7.6 million of cap space and a #1 D from any team and the GM is going to have a tough time building a D on the fly.

Chevy could have done a better job filling in bottom end roster spots, but that wouldn't have replaced Buff (or Little).

Little never should've been re-signed. That was a huge mistake...and it's on him.

 

[Jets 31]

Little never should've been re-signed. That was a huge mistake...and it's on him.

Don't agree, as of right now Little is still our 2nd best center on this team but now with Little's injury Chevy has to get a good 2nd line center. Tanev and Myers and Charoit got too much money when we were still trying to sign Laine and Connor.