GM Chuck Fletcher (Part 2)

[kelmitchell]

yeah but you dont want hughes now? i dont want to hear in future, we could have won the stanley cup with hughes if we can never win one because you want to win meaningless games that screwed us out of lottery again.

im going to say, you wanted to win games, this is what you get.

Just like instead of morin, had we kept losing we would of had seth jones.....still saddens me

 

[The Madrigal]

Jacob Trouba would look really good playing with Provorov.

 

[Amorgus]

"****ing Paul Holmgren"





I hereby motion to call Homer "FPH" from now on.

On my old forum Corey Perry's full name was F*** Corey Perry. Even better someone did anagrams of player's names and he was also known as Creepy Rory.

 

[Curufinwe]

I was opposed to promoting Hart so early, but so far it looks like a really good move.

 

[Curufinwe]

The drafting under Hextall was average at best. They just accumulated a glut of prospects for fans to overhype. Now they're settling in to how reasonable minds would project them (for the most part).

I guess all those national hockey writers who ranked the prospect pool #1 or close to it are secret Flyer fans.

"average"

SKATERS
1. Frost, Morgan - 84%
2. Myers, Phil - 79%
3. Farabee, Joel - 85%
4. O'Brien, Jay - 42%
5. Allison, Wade - 42%
6. Ratcliffe, Isaac - 59%
7. Morin, Sam - 39%
8. Rubtsov, German - 47%
9. Vorobyev, Mikhail - 84%
10. Laczynski, Tanner - 49%

11. Aube-Kubel, Nicolas - 66%
12. Kase, David - 26%
13. Linus Hogberg - 32%
14. Friedman, Mark - 22%
15. Strome, Matthew - 29%
16. Lycksell, Olle - 34%
17. Ginning, Adam - 25%
18. Cates, Noah - 47%
19. Sushko, Maxim - 43%
20. Kalynuk, Wyatt - 54%

21. Bunnaman, Connor - 27%
22. Laberge, Pascal - 33%
23. Bernhardt, David - 45%
24. Twarynski, Carson - 38%
25. St. Ivany, Jack - 57%
26. Wylie, Wyatte - 33%
27. Westfalt, Marcus - 56%
28. Martel, Danick - 73%
29. Hain, Gavin - 50%
30. Vasiliev, Valeri - 49%
(Not selected: Fazleev, Goulbourne, Warren, Willcox)

GOALIES
1. Hart, Carter - 98%
2. Sandstrom, Felix - 92%
3. Ustimenko, Kirill - 60%
4. Stolarz, Anthony - 78%
5. Ersson, Samuel - 69%
6. Fedotov, Ivan - 81%
7. Tomek, Matej

 

[Tripod]

The competitive side of me just has a hard time "rooting" for loses. Of course I want Hughes. And yes I know more loses helps that. But even finishing dead last....you have a 81.5% chance of NOT getting him.

Make your own "luck". Draft well. Develop well. Play well.

And yeah...regardless what I or anyone else wants, we have no influence.

 

[YEM]

I guess all those national hockey writers who ranked the prospect pool #1 or close to it are just secret Flyer fans.

or they were just off in their projections, as ranking prospects is a bit of a fool's errand to being with

 

[Tripod]

Jacob Trouba would look really good playing with Provorov.

Pesce would as well and he is likely someone you could get cheaper and is signed for 5 more years at $4.025 million per. We could then trade Gudas if we want and then next year run with.

Provy Pesce
Sanheim Myers
Morin Ghost
Hagg Friedman

 

[Striiker]

isnt winning going to hurt our chances of getting hughes?

i can't believe this has to be explained.

i believe he means Tripod doesn't have any mystical supernatural ability to influence wins no matter how much he may want them.

Yep...

 

[Curufinwe]

How were they off?

 

[The Madrigal]

Pesce would as well and he is likely someone you could get cheaper and is signed for 5 more years at $4.025 million per. We could then trade Gudas if we want and then next year run with.

Provy Pesce
Sanheim Myers
Morin Ghost
Hagg Friedman

If the first round pick isn't top 2 I would move it for Trouba in a heartbeat. Getting him would be a game changer for the team.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The competitive side of me just has a hard time "rooting" for loses. Of course I want Hughes. And yes I know more loses helps that. But even finishing dead last....you have a 81.5% chance of NOT getting him.

Make your own "luck". Draft well. Develop well. Play well.

And yeah...regardless what I or anyone else wants, we have no influence.

It’s very difficult for me to root for them to lose when I’m watching. Near the end of a bad season, though, when they’ve long been mathematically eliminated, & suddenly vets who didn’t show up when the team needed it step up & pad their stats against competition that is riding out the regular season—that pisses me off.

 

[The Madrigal]

Good prospects and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee. The thing about even really good prospects is that a lot of them don't work out and even the ones that do take time. One of Hextall's big mistakes was expecting too many of them to work out and not looking to build the roster around them in the mean time.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

If the first round pick isn't top 2 I would move it for Trouba in a heartbeat. Getting him would be a game changer for the team.

Disagree with you there. I think Trouba is good, but I don’t think he’s *that* good.

 

[tucson83]

It’s very difficult for me to root for them to lose when I’m watching. Near the end of a bad season, though, when they’ve long been mathematically eliminated, & suddenly vets who didn’t show up when the team needed it step up & pad their stats against competition that is riding out the regular season—that pisses me off.

same here, this is why philly will never win a cup, because they are chicken #### of tanking for a superstar player, philly will never win a cup ever.

 

[Tripod]

I was opposed to promoting Hart so early, but so far it looks like a really good move.

I thought he would play the year in the AHl, then next year would be the one where he starts getting the NHL games/callups. But man, he has impressed.

Out of 8 games, only 1 could you say he played bad....the game he got pulled. The only other poor game statistically he played well but had little chance on the goals.

 

[Curufinwe]

I thought he would play the year in the AHl, then next year would be the one where he starts getting the NHL games/callups. But man, he has impressed.

Out of 8 games, only 1 could you say he played bad....the game he got pulled. The only other poor game statistically he played well but had little chance on the goals.

A 20 year old starting goalie with a .920 SV%... just another average draft pick from Hextall.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The promising thing is that Hart seems to be getting better. He looks more comfortable, is making cleaner saves & reducing rebounds, & seems to have adjusted to the speed of the game. Certainly his post-to-post movement & lower net coverage have always been there.

Obviously, at 20, he’ll have some bumps in the road. But you can’t ask for more than what he’s shown so far.

 

[deadhead]

At this point, I think Gudas is the veteran D-man you keep around as long as the extension is reasonable money, he brings a nice physical edge (now that he's learned how to play under the new rules), is competent and has a great shot from the point - and is a RHD. He's a good fit with Ghost or Sanheim - and the fact that he puts up great metrics with almost anyone as his partner says he's doing it and not riding someone else's coattails, even if it looks butt ugly at times.

As much as I respect how Raffl plays the game, this team has too many bottom six types and not enough skilled forwards who can skate, pass, receive a pass and shoot. Moving out Raffl and Simmonds will help the flow.

Good prospects and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee. The thing about even really good prospects is that a lot of them don't work out and even the ones that do take time. One of Hextall's big mistakes was expecting too many of them to work out and not looking to build the roster around them in the mean time.

Hextall's mistake was not selling Scott, Holmgren and the fans on a complete rebuild, which is going to happen under Fletcher, because by imploding this season, like in Winnipeg, he has bought time to make the moves to revamp the roster. It'll still take the 7 years it would have taken if Hextall had started in 2014 (Holmgren really should have started after the 2012-13 season), but expectations would have been totally different.

Now Fletcher can finish what Hextall started, in two years all those prospects who are struggling now or still in college/juniors will be in the lineup.
It takes time for most defensemen to mature, in 2020-21: Provorov (23), Sanheim (24), Myers (23), Ghost (27), Morin (25), Friedman (25), Hagg (25) with Wylie, Zamula and Hogberg in the AHL for depth. If Gudas is still around, he'll only be 30. That will be a talented, experienced group.
Same at forward, this year's pick will be 19-20, Patrick (22), TK (23), Lindblom (24), Frost (21), Farabee (20) to go with Giroux (33), Couts (28).

That's a pretty solid group, add 1 or 2 trades/FAs (Panarin, Stone, etc) and you can roll out a solid top nine before you get to guys like NAK, Rubtsov, O'Brien, Ratcliffe, Allison, Laczynski, etc. So you're not depending on hitting on the majority of your second tier prospects to fill out your roster. You have the luxury of filling out the bottom six with talented players, and promoting/trading them after a couple years as their value increases.

All Fletcher has to do is avoid the temptation for quick fixes, adding 30 year old veterans (we have too many who haven't made this team a winner, Voracek, Simmonds, Raffl, JVR, Weise) - instead, move out your veterans and focus on adding 23-27 year old established NHL players who can contribute for an extended period.

 

[Striiker]

Looks like thread has become the central hub of really really stupid posts from multiple predictable sources.

Well done.

 

[Rebels57]

Just how good is Pesce?

A combination of Bobby Orr and Larry Robinson if you ask Canes fans.

 

[Chinatown88]

Looks like thread has become the central hub of really really stupid posts from multiple predictable sources.

Well done.

"Best Behaved Poster - 2018"

Hmmmmmmm

 

[Chinatown88]

A combination of Bobby Orr and Larry Robinson if you ask Canes fans.

They want the moon for him on the Trade Board which is understandable. But if he is available, it would be another target for that Top 4 RHD we need.

 

[Rebels57]

They want the moon for him on the Trade Board which is understandable. But if he is available, it would be another target for that Top 4 RHD we need.

He's a total zero in the offensive zone but is very good in the defensive zone and neutral zone. You would think he was a complete two-way defensemen that can do it all though based off of how they value him.

 

[Striiker]

"Best Behaved Poster - 2018"

Hmmmmmmm

The defending champ, here to defend my title in 2019.