Genious: Sami V hype train. Sing along here!

[Ducksgo*]

Its obviouse that the "critcists" are overdoing what they do here. If anyone says anything positive about Vatanen, its "stupid" or too much, even though't he has already proven he can play in NA rinks and NA style. My one message had "eenok for president" and it got deleted.. It show how seriouse things are when it comes to positive side of the things. Instead, you can put unlimited amount of negative eenok / vatanen stuff and its ok.

Btw Ducks without Whatanen tonight and we lose.

Haters are going to hate. Stop being afraid of the youth movement. Jesus Christ man..... We have youth prospering and people are complaining about it.

Vatanen 8 gp - 2 goals
Palms 42 gp - 10 goals 11 assists - 21 pts
Etem 38 gp - 3 goals - 7 assists - 10 pts WITH fourth line minutes and PK time.

Youth are prospering being called up just get use to it. Youth movement is sustainable.

 

[Hagged]

Any chance of Vatanen being released to the WHC? He'd get a huge role in that (quite bad) team Finland. Might even get to play first pairing minutes on top of the obvious first PP. Anaheim seems set on D for the play offs so it would seem wise for the Ducks to let him get the high level games under his belt before next season.

 

[Paul4587]

Haters are going to hate. Stop being afraid of the youth movement. Jesus Christ man..... We have youth prospering and people are complaining about it.

Vatanen 8 gp - 2 goals
Palms 42 gp - 10 goals 11 assists - 21 pts
Etem 38 gp - 3 goals - 7 assists - 10 pts WITH fourth line minutes and PK time.

Youth are prospering being called up just get use to it. Youth movement is sustainable.

Youth movement? Again outside of Fowler what young player is playing a key role? Etem is a 4th liner, Palmieri has been shuffled around every line and Vatanen has played 8 games as a PP specialist.

It's the vets doing all the heavy lifting (RPG, Koivu, Cogs, Winnik, Beacuh, Souray).

 

[AngelDuck]

Youth movement? Again outside of Fowler what young player is playing a key role? Etem is a 4th liner, Palmieri has been shuffled around every line and Vatanen has played 8 games as a PP specialist.

It's the vets doing all the heavy lifting (RPG, Koivu, Cogs, Winnik, Beacuh, Souray).

Maroon played well last night. He was making amazingly skilled plays that I didn't know he was capable of. He was also physical and great along the boards. I think it will be a mistake if he isn't in the lineup during the playoffs

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

People are not complaining about Vatanen doing well. That doesn't even make sense.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

He's shown what he's capable at the age of 21...He's only going to get better as he gets older.

Haters gonna hate...Go Vats!!

I can be more explicit I guess.

You equate any criticism of Vatanen to being a hater. That makes a statement by you that people are unfairly criticizing Vatanen dramatically ironic.

The Vatanists' need to cast any criticism of their hero as unfair and overstated is pathetic and annoying. He hasn't proved anything yet. Saying that doesn't make me a hater.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Youth movement? Again outside of Fowler what young player is playing a key role? Etem is a 4th liner, Palmieri has been shuffled around every line and Vatanen has played 8 games as a PP specialist.

It's the vets doing all the heavy lifting (RPG, Koivu, Cogs, Winnik, Beacuh, Souray).

There's a reason why BB wants Vatanen in the playoffs. Etem has been down right dominant on the PK which is a key role btw. And Palms has had a key role by providing support to our RPG line.

 

[Sojourn]

There's a reason why BB wants Vatanen in the playoffs. Etem has been down right dominant on the PK which is a key role btw. And Palms has had a key role by providing support to our RPG line.

With that logic any role is a key role.

Having a couple of young players doesn't equal a youth movement. Only Fowler is really in a key role. Everyone else is in a more supporting/depth role.

 

[Sojourn]

Any chance of Vatanen being released to the WHC? He'd get a huge role in that (quite bad) team Finland. Might even get to play first pairing minutes on top of the obvious first PP. Anaheim seems set on D for the play offs so it would seem wise for the Ducks to let him get the high level games under his belt before next season.

Not while Anaheim is in the playoffs. Vatanen may not play, but Boudreau is going to want the option of having him if the PP needs a jump.

 

[Sojourn]

Also, the idea that not playing Vatanen is why we lost is, frankly, laughable. Vatanen's role on this team is nowhere near that big. If we were talking about a #1 defenseman, sure, you might have an argument, but Sami is a 3rd pairing defenseman with a PP speciality right now.

 

[Finnpin]

I'd suggest you closet eenoks are the ones who need to chill out.

Nice try. I'm maybe the biggest Eenok hater here.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

wrong thread.

 

[Finnpin]

I guess every Finn is a bit of Vatanen fan as we have seen his offensive game so much but I myself I'm no way a "huge" fan... I know that there is still things he needs to improve in his defensive game but with all the negative air in the discussion I just haven't liked some critic comments towards Vatanen as IMO they were little bit exaggerated. Not false but exaggerated.

Well hopefully the "air" gets better around Vatanen discussion someday. I'll try to stay away from it now...

It's playoffs time, let's all enjoy it

 

[QnebO]

I think it's better for me to back off from Vatanen speculation at this point. I will talk about him when he has played games that we can comment.


Shame if he doesn't make it to roster this spring, but guess what doesnt kill you makes you Pronger.

 

[mattihp]

I guess every Finn is a bit of Vatanen fan as we have seen his offensive game so much but I myself I'm no way a "huge" fan... I know that there is still things he needs to improve in his defensive game but with all the negative air in the discussion I just haven't liked some critic comments towards Vatanen as IMO they were little bit exaggerated. Not false but exaggerated.

Well hopefully the "air" gets better around Vatanen discussion someday. I'll try to stay away from it now...

It's playoffs time, let's all enjoy it

This.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I think it's better for me to back off from Vatanen speculation at this point. I will talk about him when he has played games that we can comment.


Shame if he doesn't make it to roster this spring, but guess what doesnt kill you makes you Pronger.

As banged up as the D corps is I wouldn't be surprised if he gets into a game by the end of the series.

 

[eenok*]

hello thread EENOK here not in inglewood anymore or other CA location but here home yeah @ Finland ok.

havent seen this board so mucho last times sorry. still i say: if vatanen not playing playoff EENOK defnettley not watching game. alright! so ...have missed me ? i feel quckley looking here ive been badly missing. am i right or am i imaginating?

vatanen is kee for team. no big words here just knowlegde. if vatanen not playing anaheim walk out of playoff easyly . for sure. remember. EENOK said.

EENOK/HOCKEYPROFESSOR/IL/FINLAND

also: having any contacts w industry of hollywoodfilm? while in inglewood a great movie idea popped up suddenly. it is own experienced. a true story so to say. EENOK SPIELBERG maybe

 

[Ducksgo*]

hello thread EENOK here not in inglewood anymore or other CA location but here home yeah @ Finland ok.

havent seen this board so mucho last times sorry. still i say: if vatanen not playing playoff EENOK defnettley not watching game. alright! so ...have missed me ? i feel quckley looking here ive been badly missing. am i right or am i imaginating?

vatanen is kee for team. no big words here just knowlegde. if vatanen not playing anaheim walk out of playoff easyly . for sure. remember. EENOK said.

EENOK/HOCKEYPROFESSOR/IL/FINLAND

also: having any contacts w industry of hollywoodfilm? while in inglewood a great movie idea popped up suddenly. it is own experienced. a true story so to say. EENOK SPIELBERG maybe

Vatanen kee role on PP. Vatanen sustainable he needs to play.

 

[dino200022]

sami vatanen

What do you guys expect out of sami in the next few years, he is a prospect that intrigues me as a solid puck mover?

 

[Sojourn]

What do you guys expect out of sami in the next few years, he is a prospect that intrigues me as a solid puck mover?

It's tough to tell right now. Next season I'm expecting him to get some 3rd pairing minutes, and a generous amount of PP minutes. Offensively speaking, I don't think I'm quite as sold on him as others. Keep in mind the sample size was small, but he just didn't wow me at even strength. For all the hype that was surrounding his offensive game, I was a little underwhelmed. I didn't feel like his addition had a drastic impact on our breakout, or our zone entry when he was on the ice, and he didn't seem particularly dangerous most of the time. His shot was the part of his game that stood out the most, and it is a wicked shot.

Defensively, his size was an issue at times, but I thought he did alright, considering the circumstances. Boudreau kept his defensive responsibility to a minimum, but he had a good stick, made good decisions, and really, the biggest criticism I have is that he was trying to play the game like he was bigger than he was. I hardly expected him to be a defensive stud, but he wasn't a liability, either. I'd call that a win, at this point.

The bottom line is that I want to see more of him. For him to stick long-term I think he needs to be more effective offensively(and by this, I mean at even strength) than he was. The talent is clearly there for him to do that, but it's a different game in the NHL. There's less room, less time, and players are bigger, stronger, and faster. It's everything that could, potentially, hurt his effectiveness. What could be the equalizer is that he's confident, he wants to excel, and he has a very high compete level.

I'm not sure if that answers your question, but there you go. There is a lot of potential there, but I don't think he's a "safe" prospect to succeed at the NHL level.

 

[Professor John Frink]

It's tough to tell right now. Next season I'm expecting him to get some 3rd pairing minutes, and a generous amount of PP minutes. Offensively speaking, I don't think I'm quite as sold on him as others. Keep in mind the sample size was small, but he just didn't wow me at even strength. For all the hype that was surrounding his offensive game, I was a little underwhelmed. I didn't feel like his addition had a drastic impact on our breakout, or our zone entry when he was on the ice, and he didn't seem particularly dangerous most of the time. His shot was the part of his game that stood out the most, and it is a wicked shot.

Defensively, his size was an issue at times, but I thought he did alright, considering the circumstances. Boudreau kept his defensive responsibility to a minimum, but he had a good stick, made good decisions, and really, the biggest criticism I have is that he was trying to play the game like he was bigger than he was. I hardly expected him to be a defensive stud, but he wasn't a liability, either. I'd call that a win, at this point.

The bottom line is that I want to see more of him. For him to stick long-term I think he needs to be more effective offensively(and by this, I mean at even strength) than he was. The talent is clearly there for him to do that, but it's a different game in the NHL. There's less room, less time, and players are bigger, stronger, and faster. It's everything that could, potentially, hurt his effectiveness. What could be the equalizer is that he's confident, he wants to excel, and he has a very high compete level.

I'm not sure if that answers your question, but there you go. There is a lot of potential there, but I don't think he's a "safe" prospect to succeed at the NHL level.

I never, and I mean never use emoticons. However.....



Sums up everything perfectly.

 

[DaDucks*]

I never, and I mean never use emoticons. However.....



Sums up everything perfectly.

Maybe u miss read what he said

There are the vantanists at the top.
Then you have the optimists about Sami in the middle whom believe that he has a very good upside. Then about 50 feet down you have Sojourn's opinion of him.

Do you believe his flaws outweigh his positives?

 

[Paul4587]

Maybe u miss read what he said

There are the vantanists at the top.
Then you have the optimists about Sami in the middle whom believe that he has a very good upside. Then about 50 feet down you have Sojourn's opinion of him.

Do you believe his flaws outweigh his positives?

So is 50 feet down where people look at our prospects objectively?

 

[Professor John Frink]

Maybe u miss read what he said

There are the vantanists at the top.
Then you have the optimists about Sami in the middle whom believe that he has a very good upside. Then about 50 feet down you have Sojourn's opinion of him.

Do you believe his flaws outweigh his positives?

I guess we just interpret what Sojourn wrote differently. I look at it as an optimistically reserved approach to a prospect we have all seen very little of at the pro level. I don't think anything Sojourn wrote was overly critical or damning towards Vatanen. Just a fan who is very realistic about expectations of a very hyped up prospect.

Certainly I don't think he or any other Duck fan wants to see a prospect fail. I just think a lets wait and see approach is the correct way to handle discussions on Vatanen. Or really any prospect for that matter.

But I have always been in the "the more AHL time the better" camp when it comes to developing prospects.

 

[DaDucks*]

So is 50 feet down where people look at our prospects objectively?

The only thing missing from that analysts is the latex glove from the cavity search.

Don't you find it overly objective from those said 8 games? Maybe I'm sensitive. Soj is about as squeaky clean as a politician though, got to hand it to him. He's been hyper critical of Sami since his first game and he words his posts to exonerate himself from future persecution from Sami supporters. (Assuming Sami is a NHL success)

I'd wish he'd just come out and say he doesn't "see" Sami being a full time fit and defensive liability to the team. Except that's exactly what he saying and been saying, cautiously and creatively.